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You're sharing EPOCH NEWS content, really? The QAnon / Falun Gong cult rag?
What the hell is this travesty. Now any old nobody can kill a site by larping drama on fucking twitter. You should all think about the people dying in dictatorships before you give up a free and open Internet over some paedophile using twitter clout to ban a gossip forum
This wasn't "larping drama" - KF members went to pretty severe lengths to not just dox people but to show up at their houses and SWAT them etc.
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Does Al-Shabaab not create a "threat of violence"?
What argument can there be for blocking one and not the other?
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It’s nonsense this has anything to do with the law. This solely happened because of mainstream media pressure and significant clients moving or threatening to move away from Cloudflare and the board deciding they don’t need the bad press and loss of customers and nothing else. You provide a service and like every service provider you have a TOS/AUP. The issue is the Acceptable Use Paragraph is clear as long as the co…
>It’s nonsense this has anything to do with the law. >This solely happened because of mainstream media pressure and significant clients moving or threatening to move away from Cloudflare and the board deciding they don’t need the bad press and loss of customers and nothing else. Exactly. I didn't know KiwiFarms existed before it was in the news and trending everywhere, so I don't know a lot about what really went on…
So, in this case, you're worried about vigilante mobs deplatforming a platform, and the slippery slope involved, but the folks being deplatformed are a worse form of what you're arguing against.
It's hard to understand what you're standing up for here, because there's no way to argue for the existence of this site without contradicting yourself, and negating your own argument.
Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…
Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…
> the risk created by the content What risk? Can you please share details? From my perspective, it seems like this is a thin excuse, and there was not actually a credible risk that you were mitigating.
Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…
Given kiwifarms most definitely remains up[1] (all your action did was let them be DDOSed for an hour or two) and this imminent dealy threat has not materialized, will you invite them back to your infrastructure? Or was this just an excuse and you were unhappy about the bad PR?
[1] https://kiwifarms.ru/threads/matthew-prince-lied.128900/
Well I run a service with 100 million registered users and this is why we don't use Cloudflare. We use VeriSign BGP DDoS mitigation which is more expensive than Cloudflare (about 27k per year with our traffic) but i don't have the luxury of losing the business on a Saturday afternoon on a whim of an anonymous Cloudflare censor, their lawyer or even his Majesty Matthew Prince Himself making a preemptive liability deci…
You don't use Cloudflare because you're afraid of them de-platforming you due to social pressure? Are you hosting content that encourages and/or facilitates harassment, violence, suicide, swatting and other illegal activity? Then you should be afraid of being de-platformed, Cloudflare or not. If you said you're not using Cloudflare because Cloudflare is attempting to become a monopoly that can mix good with bad and p…
1. https://imgur.com/a/hY2BN7p
2. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/the_dogs_bark,_but_the_carava...