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I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I do something similar though less taxing . I gave my brother an Apple Watch and we track each other's workouts but not competitively. Often, to close a ring, we'll WeChat during the walk; a chat or a podcast really takes the edge off of exercise. I also use the StrongLifts app to track workouts at the gym. Yep, I dropped three tech names. I'm surprised but they work. The key is daily effort. I close my rings every d…

How do you measure that?

I assume you meant VO2Max; the real thing costs money. I feel like such a shill but your Apple Watch estimates it based on your activity, heart rate and movement. It shows up in the Apple Fitness on your iPhone.

It is an estimate but it goes up with a fair amount of effort. It gets harder to make progress the further up you go. But I'm here to tell you that 32 feels a LOT better than 25.5 did. The downsides to working out is feeling sore. But the down side to not working out is feeling crappy. I'll take sore over crappy.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I did a version of this to achieve the holy 6pack grail. My wife held me accountable - I just had to stick to daily limit of calories (adjusted over time) and that's it. Around 7 months work. Then when I "finished" I couldn't stabilize the habit and am still stumbling at around 19 % body fat... I guess it's time to dust off this method.

how little body fat do you need to be at to have a 6 pack?

I think everybody’s going to be a little different. But think single digit or low teens on average.

I’ve been powerlifting and body building for about 8 years now. I hover right around 15%. I don’t have a 6 pack. I doubt I ever will. I tried once a couple of years ago. My energy level was so low, and I hated all the food I was eating (chicken and broccoli 2 or 3 times a day, as little salt as possible, etc.). I got to 12%, had a 4 pack, and called it a day. I’m happy where I am now. Not ashamed to admit that I didn’t have the mental fortitude to accomplish the task.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I think a primary root cause to all motivation problems is that our brain is programmed to be lazy. By lazy, I mean, we are programmed to exert the least amount of effort possible to secure our safety and physiological needs.

And, in today's developed world, it's EXTREMELY easy to secure our safety and physiological needs. Once these basic needs are met, we find ourselves in a position where happiness is a function of self-esteem, fulfilling relationships, and physical health.

The problem is that these higher goals take hard work to obtain and maintain. And, our brain isn't wired to want to do that hard work - as long as we're safe & satiated, it wants to check out.

As a result, we have to learn to trick our brains into feeling motivated to achieve these higher goals.

One way to do this is to attach failure of goal completion to something scary like loss of income (see OP's article) or social status. This will trigger motivation because you're endangering your safety and physiological needs (which is what your brain is programmed to react to).

Another way is to learn to silence your subconscious programming (that voice in your head that convinces you to be lazy). You can do this with meditation or by following the 5 second rule: When you feel yourself hesitate before doing something that you know you should do, count 5-4-3-2-1-GO and just start moving towards action.

Finally, after you're done taking action and doing the hard work, you'll feel good. Taking time to notice these positive feelings, and building a causal connection between hard work and positive self-esteem makes goal completion easier as time goes on.

Being lazy is completely natural, and instead of feeling badly about it, we should just accept that our programming is misaligned with the modern world, and learn to take action towards being happy despite of it.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I read a HN comment a while ago wrt running that said that motivation might come from saying "I want to see this beautiful place again" (where the running leads to.) instead of saying "I need to run because I want to lose weight" (or whatever). I'd like to say it works, but actually what was even more important for me was to change my thoughts about running. If you feel like running is a chore, you will never motivat…

For me, running was a chore. I had to really make my self go running. My body simply did not want to run. But after a year of 3x a week, a funny thing happened. My body started wanting to go running. I'd look forward to it.

I've been lifting for 20 years now. My body still hates it. Oh well :-/ what can you do.

P.S. I never time the runs, I never push it. I just run and don't worry about it. If someone passes me running faster, I yell at them for cheating :-)

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I read a HN comment a while ago wrt running that said that motivation might come from saying "I want to see this beautiful place again" (where the running leads to.) instead of saying "I need to run because I want to lose weight" (or whatever). I'd like to say it works, but actually what was even more important for me was to change my thoughts about running. If you feel like running is a chore, you will never motivat…

I'd have to find the book. But there was research that showed that long-term motivating factors like being healthy, weight loss etc. were not as effective as short-term motivating factors like "I like how I feel after I run/workout/..." or It is beautiful to get outside, etc.

Basically, focusing on what is good about it now rather than what will be good later is better at building the habit.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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If this sounds appealing, but you want a nice UI to go along with it, check out https://www.beeminder.com/home . Not affiliated with them, just a happy customer for several years.

Huh. I like most of the idea, but there's no way I'm going to incentivize a company such that they do better if I fail.

Your argument only works in the short term - if you fail consistently in the long term you will realise the service is not working for you and they will lose you as a customer.

Failing intermittently in the short term - and losing money for it - will cause any rational actor motivated by the financial argument - as you clearly are - to try and work out why and fail less, hence proving their service is working for you.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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post #82

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How do you measure that?

I assume you meant VO2Max; the real thing costs money. I feel like such a shill but your Apple Watch estimates it based on your activity, heart rate and movement. It shows up in the Apple Fitness on your iPhone. It is an estimate but it goes up with a fair amount of effort. It gets harder to make progress the further up you go. But I'm here to tell you that 32 feels a LOT better than 25.5 did. The downsides to workin…

I get a ton of exercise but I still feel out of shape. I wonder how the Apple Watch would handle that?

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I read a HN comment a while ago wrt running that said that motivation might come from saying "I want to see this beautiful place again" (where the running leads to.) instead of saying "I need to run because I want to lose weight" (or whatever). I'd like to say it works, but actually what was even more important for me was to change my thoughts about running. If you feel like running is a chore, you will never motivat…

> I've found that I always pushed myself way too hard while running. The goal is not to be fast or have the best time.

This was a key point for me. Like many, I started with Couch to 5K. During my run intervals, I ran too fast. Had to make up for that 2 minutes of walking.

Eventually, after much reading and trial and error, I finally figured out how to run and how to program running. My standard is to keep my 1 mile time right at 7 minutes. I test it once a month. If it is creeping up, I’ll add in more running/cardio. Otherwise, I keep everything the same.

It took a lot of months of “slow” 11 and 12 minute miles to build up my body to be ready to start doing the tempo runs and speed work. I think too many new runners start right off with tempo and speed work because they “gotta feel the burn”, and they get embarrassed being passed. There were times I was going to quit running because I’m maintaining a 12 minute pace and people walking their dogs were passing me.

I don’t remember where I heard this (or read it), but depending on when you start your fitness journey, remember you spent YEARS getting yourself to where you were. You’re not going to turn it all around in months much less days.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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> Also, how your body feels after a run, is one of the best motivators to do it again. Not everyone feels like this. I hate running, and hate the way my body feels afterwards. I just want to go to bed or sit down and do absolutely nothing. It wrecks my productivity for hours. I tried to get into running a few times because of the supposed "high" that you eventually start to feel. Never once felt it, even after severa…

I don't hate distance running or jogging in the slightest. Despite the fact that it works against all my natural talents, and would be a great way to injure myself if I did it. So I don't. Sprinter's build is a real thing. If I ever run more than 200 meters at a stretch, I'm probably dodging bullets.

Haha! My neighbor was in the infantry in the Army, and he’s a smoker. Deployed 3 times - twice to Afghanistan and once to Iraq. According to him he’s been smoking since he was 18 and doesn’t plan on quitting (to each their own). I asked him once if smoking affected his running in the infantry. He told me what his sergeant told him - when you’re getting shot at, your cardio will be there.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I read a HN comment a while ago wrt running that said that motivation might come from saying "I want to see this beautiful place again" (where the running leads to.) instead of saying "I need to run because I want to lose weight" (or whatever). I'd like to say it works, but actually what was even more important for me was to change my thoughts about running. If you feel like running is a chore, you will never motivat…

This is known in the running community as the MAF method or Zone 2 training and it is key to sustaining an injury minimizing habit of running.

Think about it this way, do you enjoy a nice long walk? Most people do. You also don't have to mentally prepare yourself to go on a walk. Do you enjoy a nice long sprint? Probably not. If you tried to do it every day you would have to mentally prepare yourself for the upcoming suck. That's a huge hurdle to making it a habit.

So why not try to find a sweet spot in between a walk and a sprint? Just build up speed gradually from a walk. Once you have days where you have to psyche yourself up to go for a run, you know you are going too hard. Going for a walk and going for an easy run should not be any different for you mentally, although you might have to take a shower after a run.

Hope anyone who has struggled with running in the past is able to regain confidence with this mindset

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