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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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There are adblocker extensions (aka “content blockers”) on iOS that work very well. This has been the case since iOS 9 IIRC, so seven years ago.

What? iOS only supports content blockers as safari extensions since iOS 15, which is the latest iOS… Please do source your claim that this has been possible for 7yrs, as that’s not my experience. ( https://developer.apple.com/safari/extensions/ )

See e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9695552 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10230704.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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I'm basically locked into Pixels because of GrapheneOS/CalyxOS, the best experience you can get for a privacy friendly phone.

The software is great, the camera is amazing, and the battery is good too, the only problem is the display on my Pixel 4XL.

IOS is a hot garbage prison, to the point its users dream of something like newpipe, and the FOSS scene is basically nonexistent, also Apple doesn't care about your privacy, I will never switch.

All other phones are either filled with gimicky things, have crappy designs(one ui isn't great compared to stock android) and nothing is private like CalyxOS/GrapheneOS.

And yes payment apps/SafetyNet works on Calyx!

Since Pixel 6 doesn't seem to be great, I will probably upgrade to PXL7/8, though there are some enticing deals on the normal Pixel 6.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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The problem is that anyone who wants to use Google Pay or banking apps, or anything that requires the phone to pass SafetyNet, will not be able to use an alternative ROM. Right now that's the only thing stopping me from getting a phone with a shitty "skinned" version of Android, as I can't replace the factory OS without losing a ton of functionality I rely on.

Google Pay doesn’t respect your privacy anyway, as the terms state that Google can use your transaction data to profile you.

You realize that all electronic payments are used to profile you.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Yikes! I have a OnePlus 5T that I'm very happy with. Amusingly I was thinking of getting a Pixel 6 until I saw this thread, and thought "Oh well, back to OnePlus." Now I don't know what to get.

Is Pixel hardware the problem? Or untested buggy Google shovel-ware?

I would argue the value add of the Pixel 6 is the proprietary Google SW. I was considering the Pixel 6 only for its photo abilities, and a lot of those are via Google SW - not fantastic lenses/processors. If I replace it with a custom ROM, the OnePlus is probably a better device (faster processor, etc).

If the Google SW is so buggy, there's no compelling reason to buy one just because of the HW.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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For now. The foot would be in door to enable it system-wide.

Why would they care about getting a foot in a door that they have the keys to and is wide open? Modern SoCs have security domains that are invisible to the main CPUs. Apple can run just about anything it wants on the security coprocessor and users will be none the wiser. The American DOJ, FBI etc do not want end-to-end encryption and use ‘think of the children’ as an excuse. This gives Apple the plausible pushback to…

Politicians feet not Apple's.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Just get an iPhone. They are for better or worse the BlackBerry of the 2020s. Samsung is the only rival in terms of hardware. Google lacks the attention span to execute. Everything else is even less baked. I’d experiment with nerdy Android distros with a tablet. I used to have a Linux smartphone (whose name escapes me, which is driving me nuts) back in like 2006/7, it was fun but not a “daily driver”.

Motorola makes good phones. I'm not sure why everyone is fixated on Samsung. Seems to me the Motorola G line is fantastic and even relatively cheap with the Moto G 5G being not but $300

Motorola produce virtually no software updates. You'll typically only get security updates for two years after the phone is started to be sold.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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I would argue that you’re the one who’s having the emotional reaction , not the rational one, when it comes to involving authorities and legally mandated access to emergency services. You are clearly unaware of the legal requirements here.

> You are clearly unaware of the legal requirements here. I am definitely unaware. If you do know the specific law/infraction, please link to it as that would help the discussion. It doesn't help to vaguely hand-wave (emotionally I would argue) "Someone should go to jail!!". As I asked above, which people? How much jail? And what are the clearly defined laws? There are engineers that deal directly with code critical…

First of all…did you change to an alt account? I don’t see libria anywhere in my reply chain above but you’re responding as if you’re bjt2n3904

Secondly nobody mentioned jail. Criminal investigation doesn’t mean jail time especially for corporations. Criminal negligence can just mean fines and a requirement to resolve the issue

You’re also acting as if people are saying the whole device and all software should be infallible. That’s not the requirement. Legally any cellular device needs to be able to contact emergency services as long as there are no extenuating circumstances (dead battery, no connectivity).

This is federally mandated in many countries. That Google has repeated failures to do so, across multiple countries and across a long period of time means that they are in violation of government rules.

You’re being intentionally obtuse on these points.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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There's another thing to keep in mind: Bluetooth.

I was biking and noticed a fire so I called the emergency number. I didn't notice that I had my Bluetooth headset connected to the phone, since I was listening to a podcast maybe half an hour earlier during the ride but never use it for talking on the phone.

So I didn't even hear the ringing an nothing, I was wondering if something was broken, until I realized that it was using the headset for the call.

In the end this was no problem because I noticed fast enough, but what became a problem was notifying my location.

I started passing him the Plus Code which was the first thing shown on the emergency screen: the call center person got annoyed asking me what I was reading to him. So I opted to read him the full GPS coordinates, where he then told me that this appears to be a completely different location from what I described him before resorting to the Plus Code.

Then there is a map on the screen which you have to tap on in order to get a full map view with street names, which finally helped passing the location.

It was a horrible experience in the sense that this technology seemed to make it more complicated while under stress.

Why show Plus Codes if they are not an agreed upon standard? Why not show me the nearest street names, which in my case was a bit problematic because I was on a field, but highlight and name some well known POI's, after all, Google has a huge database of ranked POIs. Something like "One third between POI 1 and POI 2".

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Google Pay doesn’t respect your privacy anyway, as the terms state that Google can use your transaction data to profile you.

You realize that all electronic payments are used to profile you.

Even if that’s true, why would you add another party (i.e. Google) to that chain?

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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So where do we go from here? I have a Samsung Galaxy S9 at the moment, but Samsung's typo-filled changelogs don't exactly inspire confidence. It has also been bugging me to accept the new Samsung Account terms, which I don't want to do. Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Apple had the CSAM scanning controversy. I have an iPad, but a bunch of features I didn't want…

> So where do we go from here? GrapheneOS.org

Which is supported only on Google Pixels. So if I go that route, how can I be sure it won’t suffer from the same bugs re: emergency calls?
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