I'm on 12 years of self hosting email and counting. Once every so often, I do end up being blocked, usually by Outlook and once by Yahoo. I'm in their 'sender program' and they still don't actually bother to contact postmaster@, but a few emails is usually enough to unblock the block within 24h. Agree with a sibling comment that many major providers fail to operate the SPF/DKIM/DMARC tools they insist you do. Each to…
Agree completely. To those that still persist, there is a page I found recently that helps you make sure that your outgoing mail is configured correctly: https://appmaildev.com/en/dkim . They generate an e-mail address, you send a mail to them, they do the check and display results (not affiliated, just a happy user).
After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
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Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#152It was a huge mistake for email receivers to take on the cost of filtering spam. Of course given the evolution of the internet and email it is easy to see how that mistake happened. Nobody had a crystal ball. But the only solution here is to raise the cost of sending email to the point where spam is no longer profitable. It seems like one solution is to bcrypt hash (or some similarly expensive algorithm) the email an…
yeah, I believe it is called "HashCash" and works similarly to "proof of work" in cryptocurrencies
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#153There are still new email providers appearing every few years right? What special incantations are they performing to be allowed in the club? Do they buy large IP ranges? Do they pay protection money to Google et al?
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#154>In many countries politicians are forced to deploy their own email servers for security and confidentiality reasons. We only need one politician's emails not delivered due to poorly implemented or arbitrary hellbans and this will be a hot button issue. "I just the other day got... an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday!", as Ted Stevens would say. Unfortunately th…
Sometimes they'll regulate themselves to avoid the exact problem you've cited.
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#155It would be possible to solve the spam problem once and for all with a crypto currency: if (Sender is whitelisted by receiver): All emails arrive in the inbox else: Sender has to send $1 for their email to arrive in the inbox The $1 will be returned if the receiver replies
e-postage, knows-SMTP-4, knows-SMTP-5 -> https://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html We have cryptographic identity in SMTP already. In fact, almost all our protocols and formats for signing and identity were first adapted from email standards. This has already failed. "You might be an anti-spam kook" does need to be updated to also include cryptocurrency solutions. You're neglecting the transaction costs as…
I was scanning this thread to see if someone would post that old copypasta email solution checklist form again.
Here's one version: https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt
Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#156Spam is a real issue.
The amount of spam emails which get sent are absurd and likely orders of magnitude more than non-spam. And spammers do a lot to mimic real emails, including just hacking legitimate addresses and adding them to botnets.
Even on gmail, I still get spam sent to my inbox. Fortunately very rarely, but it still happens.
And even if it isn’t bad today, spam has the potential to be much worse in the future with transformer networks and hostile state actors.
And even if it really isn’t that bad and never will be, the big companies and those arguing against self-hosting will claim it is. They don’t want to allow a relative few self-hosted email servers in exchange for much more difficult and less effective spam detection. Forget Gmail and Outlook, why not just use Fastmail or Protonmail?
If you want a legitimate argument for self-hosted emails you need to address the spam. It may be as simple as registering your official email with some organization sponsored by open-source, and all the big companies can trust that one organization. Then the org has to deal with spam registrations but maybe there won’t be much and it will work out. idk much about self-hosting so this org might already exist.
But this article doesn’t mention that org, in fact doesn’t say much at all about spam besides “keep existing spam-prevention because it already works”. But you should at least explain why. Because spam is a legitimate argument for big-co forming an oligarchy that’s not just “so they can make more money”, and it’s the main argument that big-co uses.
Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#157I started hosting my own email in 2004 before finally giving up and migrating my email to Fastmail last year. Besides the problems mentioned in this post the real problem I had was dealing with spam. The open source community around spam has really degraded over time, to the point where most solutions are extremely high maintenance and require regular tweaking. Methods that used to work, like greylisting, cause probl…
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Nobody wants spam or the things promoted in the spam. Lots of people want Viagra without having to see a doctor. There definitely is a market for it, and now there are companies that do provide it, I wonder if this will cause spam to shift to other products.
Many also wants to be heir to a Nigerian prince worth a few million ...
Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#159Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#160It was a huge mistake for email receivers to take on the cost of filtering spam. Of course given the evolution of the internet and email it is easy to see how that mistake happened. Nobody had a crystal ball. But the only solution here is to raise the cost of sending email to the point where spam is no longer profitable. It seems like one solution is to bcrypt hash (or some similarly expensive algorithm) the email an…
The problem to adding a cost to email is that it affects everyone. The amount of CPU power you need to waste to make most spam not viable is so much that it isn't worth it.
Most spam comes from new address pairs, not existing ones. Requiring high cost to get past a first-contact filter, then near zero forever after, is completely reasonable and would practically eliminate unsolicited spam.