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I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I read a HN comment a while ago wrt running that said that motivation might come from saying "I want to see this beautiful place again" (where the running leads to.) instead of saying "I need to run because I want to lose weight" (or whatever). I'd like to say it works, but actually what was even more important for me was to change my thoughts about running. If you feel like running is a chore, you will never motivat…

> Also, how your body feels after a run, is one of the best motivators to do it again.

Not everyone feels like this. I hate running, and hate the way my body feels afterwards. I just want to go to bed or sit down and do absolutely nothing. It wrecks my productivity for hours. I tried to get into running a few times because of the supposed "high" that you eventually start to feel. Never once felt it, even after several months of forcing myself to do daily runs.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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What worked for me was not car commuting. Walking and biking everywhere is great for keeping your baseline cardio level decent without it feeling like you’re making and effort, and it is often not a noticeable time difference. When you’re used to driving everywhere, most people are prone to wildly underestimating actual door to door travel times (city bicyclists will spend a lot of time waiting on friends who drive) so while the 40 minutes you spend bicycling home from work & picking up groceries is longer than the 30 minutes it’d take to drive / park it also replaces a separate gym trip. Saving thousands of dollars a year is nice, too.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I'm happy for the author, but I've always found these sort of tricks to be a chore. I bought a cargo ebike and use it for 99% of my traveling, including a 20 mile commute to work (~40 minutes each way). Now you can exercise for free, no tricking necessary. Sadly you aren't going to become super muscular riding around a bike, but I assure you, you'll be in excellent shape even with an ebike. Maybe it's because I'm laz…

but is it really exercise with an ebike? I'd like to see others chip in on that (or studies ;).

I remember going to a talk by a cardiologist who said he told patients to take the bicycle and sometimes they'd come back with a worse heart. Then it would turn out that those patients thought an electric bicycle is good too, since it looks like a bicycle and you have to use the pedals like a bicycle. But since you don't really exert yourself it doesn't help the heart. That was maybe 10 years ago, so electric bicycles were not so ubiquitous back then.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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post #33

I'm happy for the author, but I've always found these sort of tricks to be a chore. I bought a cargo ebike and use it for 99% of my traveling, including a 20 mile commute to work (~40 minutes each way). Now you can exercise for free, no tricking necessary. Sadly you aren't going to become super muscular riding around a bike, but I assure you, you'll be in excellent shape even with an ebike. Maybe it's because I'm laz…

but is it really exercise with an ebike? I'd like to see others chip in on that (or studies ;).

You can pick the torque you want for less or more assistance, and it stops at 25Km/h anyway.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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post #33

I'm happy for the author, but I've always found these sort of tricks to be a chore. I bought a cargo ebike and use it for 99% of my traveling, including a 20 mile commute to work (~40 minutes each way). Now you can exercise for free, no tricking necessary. Sadly you aren't going to become super muscular riding around a bike, but I assure you, you'll be in excellent shape even with an ebike. Maybe it's because I'm laz…

but is it really exercise with an ebike? I'd like to see others chip in on that (or studies ;).

Very much so. My heart rate readings are basically the same as on my road bike but I’m making the trip with ~100 pounds of kid & cargo.

I’ve seen a few studies supporting this in general: people ride with the same intensity but go further or get there faster.

There’s a really key benefit which is less obvious: e-bikes remove disincentives. Everyone I know who bought one rides more because they don’t have to worry about that one big hill, or the spot where you need to be on a road & going <20 mph triggers driver aggression, or you can carry your heavier groceries home, etc.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I do something similar though less taxing. I gave my brother an Apple Watch and we track each other's workouts but not competitively. Often, to close a ring, we'll WeChat during the walk; a chat or a podcast really takes the edge off of exercise. I also use the StrongLifts app to track workouts at the gym.

Yep, I dropped three tech names. I'm surprised but they work. The key is daily effort. I close my rings every day, for weeks and months on end. On days when I don't feel like it, I still force myself and then I feel great afterwards. I've done that enough times that I know for a fact that it will work when I'm not feeling it. The other key is to set a reasonable goal so that everyday isn't a stress. For me, that's 600/45/13.

From the depths of the COVID lockdown to now, my VO2Max has risen from 25.5 to 32 which for my age bracket is pretty good. Fun fact: donate blood and your VO2Max will go down.

The silicon guilt works for me. Yeah, I enjoy being in the gym and maybe not everyone does. But this gets me over the hump of wanting to work out to working out.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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I just got a VR headset so that it makes working out fun. Now I work out 7 days a week for an hour. I use weights and resistance bands to make it a bit more demanding and I can do it at home and enjoy it. No need for hacks.

You're literally hacking your optical system.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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post #29

I read a HN comment a while ago wrt running that said that motivation might come from saying "I want to see this beautiful place again" (where the running leads to.) instead of saying "I need to run because I want to lose weight" (or whatever). I'd like to say it works, but actually what was even more important for me was to change my thoughts about running. If you feel like running is a chore, you will never motivat…

Also, you don't need to run continuously. It's perfectly fine to run for a couple minutes and then walk a bit. I think people's definitions of exercise are often too strict, or constrained.

Another way to get into running is to start by just going for a brisk walk and run a little bit when you feel like it. That's how I got into trail running. I was going for long hikes, and at some point I started jogging short sections (maybe only 30 seconds) when I was feeling good. By doing this I could limit the total amount of running I was doing while still getting a good workout in.

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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post #29

I read a HN comment a while ago wrt running that said that motivation might come from saying "I want to see this beautiful place again" (where the running leads to.) instead of saying "I need to run because I want to lose weight" (or whatever). I'd like to say it works, but actually what was even more important for me was to change my thoughts about running. If you feel like running is a chore, you will never motivat…

It helps if you have a nice park to run through. I think this is why I've always had an easier time consistently doing cardio than someone who might only do cardio on a stationary bike or treadmill. My friends don't believe me when I tell them I actually enjoy running. Running through nature can be a immersive and genuinely pleasurable experience. If you pay close attention it's never boring, there are always new things to notice on the trail, plus the endorphin high after a session is a reward in itself.

Like most difficult things, the more you do it the easier it is to keep doing it

Re: I tricked myself into working out 3 times per week

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Nice! In case anyone is interested in the science of this effect and it's surprising power, this is an almost exact reproduction of an experiment, in the field of "connection science" or "social physics".

(NOTE: The true value here is in the CROSS-INCENTIVIZATION with an existing social relationship, not just the money)

The general truism that falls out of it is:

When possible, always apply incentives to the social fabric, not individuals. i.e. incentivize the edges of the graph (the relationships), rather than the nodes (the people) in isolation. Seek results by always opting to strengthen social bonds, instead of trying to bend people (who are social creatures) into actions while neglecting their social context, which often pull them back into prior habits or prevent the new ones from sticking strongly. Under some experimental conditions, incentives are 30x more effective when you use the money to strengthen a social relationship around an activity, rather than incentivizing the activity itself. (Further, unlike a direct monetary incentive where removing the incentive strongly attenuates the effect, you could now remove the money incentive between you and your brother, and you're much more likely to keep performing the activity even without monetary incentive, because the persistent social incentive is bootstrapped.)

This and other really interesting related research was pioneered by MIT's Sandy Pentland. It's very solid and applies in practice: His lab won the DARPA network grand challenge, where they found those 10 balloons hidden across the USA. He wrote a book. Here's his author talk: https://youtu.be/HMBl0ttu-Ow

The book "Social Physics" is a really great read if the video speaks to you

Frankly, it's affected my worldview hugely. This sort of research has huge policy and regulatory implications imho.

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