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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by libria » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:07 PM UTC

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #48

dessant wrote: post #40

The repeated negligence around the handling of Android bugs related to emergency calls should result in criminal prosecution. It's unlikely that actual people weren't hurt because of these bugs. They have known about these issues for years, and they continue to give them the importance of an unresponsive button in Gmail settings. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29492884 https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comme…

> criminal prosecution Steady now. I don't think you want that.

I don't know the specific law, but FCC does expect a phone to be able to reach 911 (e.g., 911 Act). There must already be a penalizing process or fines in place for manufacturers who fail to meet basic standards.

I'm not sure what criminal liability would look like, though. Who do we put in jail? The dev? QA? People who CR'd the bug? The TPM who proposed the feature? The manager who allocated time? The skip who initiated the whole project? Should they share blame and multithread a 7 month sentence together and do 1 month together?

I agree w/ you though. My company needs to alert me if any LOC I'm working on could land me in prison and I'll gladly switch projects. I definitely don't want that burden.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by rch » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:08 PM UTC

DangitBobby wrote: post #31

amir734jj wrote: post #15

I switched to pixel 6 from pixel 4 and it was buggy to the point that I had to give away my pixel 6. Then I bought new still in box pixel 3 and I'm happy again.

Is it still getting updates?

Pixel 5 is still solid. I skipped the 6 because of comments on HN, but I'll probably have to update to the 7 when it comes out.

In the meantime, I'd also like to try the Librem 5 US. This thread is convincing me to give it a shot anyway.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by bspammer » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:08 PM UTC

The fact that this has stuck around so long feels like a consequence of triaging your bugs purely by the number of affected users. After all, likely less than 0.1% of users ever run into this bug, it can't be that big of an issue right?

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by LaputanMachine » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:09 PM UTC

abdusco wrote: post #44

happyopossum wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are TONS of ad-blockers, and a very sophisticated and comprehensive ad blocking API available on iOS. What’s stopping one single ad blocker from running on it?

any recommendation for an adblocker on ios that can block youtube ads?

"Vinegar - Tube Cleaner" blocks all YouTube ads in Safari.

It also replaces YouTube's video player with the native HTML5 player, so you can play videos in the background or watch them in picture-in-picture mode.

Vinegar can also be used together with Sponsorblock for a completely ad-free experience. It's a difference as night and day.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by corndoge » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:10 PM UTC

ssizn wrote: post #68

dekerta wrote: post #53

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I got a Pixel6 in July. Aside from the camera, it is by far the worst phone I've ever owned. I probably experience at least 4 or 5 major crashes every day where the phone becomes unresponsive for a few seconds. Up until now, I've been able to live with the bugs as a moderate inconvenience, but now that I know I could potentially die because of Google's complete lack of QA, I'm going to ditch the phone right away. I'l…

I don’t understand how could you pay such a vast amount of money for a phone that is not even subpar… it is unusable by your own testimony. Not trying to be snarky or anything, but why didn’t you return it?

All phones have these problems. Every phone has glaring problems you have to live with or work around.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by system2 » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:10 PM UTC

Buy iPhone my friends. I spent decades defending android but enough was enough.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by davesque » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:10 PM UTC

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #17

I have zero issues with my Pixel 6. It's an awesome phone and I really like it. However, I just bought it a few months ago, so maybe they fixed a lot of stuff.

Yeah, me too. Zero problems. I've also successfully dialed 911 with it. Though it was in Seattle so I got put on hold for 5 minutes ^_^. I guess the linked thread says the issue is in Australia.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by devoutsalsa » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:11 PM UTC

pid-1 wrote: post #79

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #27

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So where do we go from here? I have a Samsung Galaxy S9 at the moment, but Samsung's typo-filled changelogs don't exactly inspire confidence. It has also been bugging me to accept the new Samsung Account terms, which I don't want to do. Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Apple had the CSAM scanning controversy. I have an iPad, but a bunch of features I didn't want…

If you want a premium phone, Apple is pretty much unchallenged. I'm not a fan of expensive phones though - I'm scared I will break it and lose $700+ in the blink of an eye. Been using cheap Motorolas for the past 10 years, no complains.

For the iPhone, you can always buy two generations back to save a few bucks. I bought an iPhone 11 a couple months ago for $499 plus tax and it’s a perfectly good phone.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by bjt2n3904 » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:12 PM UTC

dessant wrote: post #63

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #48

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> criminal prosecution Steady now. I don't think you want that.

I think it's important to hold people responsible for negligence that causes harm to others, even in the tech industry.

> It's unlikely that actual people weren't hurt because of these bugs.

Do you want criminal prosecution for actual harm, or for potential harm?

America has this habit of reaching for the biggest gun it has to solve problems, or make a statement.

It always backfires.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by astrange » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 5:12 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #71

endisneigh wrote: post #51

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Apple only wanted to scan files on your device once you decide to upload it. In other words, if you don't ever actually upload anything nothing would ever be scanned.

Nobody is mad about cloud providers scanning for objectionable content. Everyone is mad because Apple is using the hardware you payed for to perform an operation you're paying them to provide. It's like paying for an API that gives you the weather, and all the endpoint returns is a system call for your phone's thermometer. It goes to show that Apple isn't afraid to undermine their own experience to implement adversar…

The guy who had his Google account deleted for sending pictures of his children to his doctor is definitely upset about cloud providers scanning his content!