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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by smoldesu »

endisneigh wrote: post #51
vetinari wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he meant Apple's CSAM controversy. Apple wanted to scan files on your device, while Google scans stuff you upload to their cloud.

Apple only wanted to scan files on your device once you decide to upload it. In other words, if you don't ever actually upload anything nothing would ever be scanned.

Nobody is mad about cloud providers scanning for objectionable content. Everyone is mad because Apple is using the hardware you payed for to perform an operation you're paying them to provide. It's like paying for an API that gives you the weather, and all the endpoint returns is a system call for your phone's thermometer.

It goes to show that Apple isn't afraid to undermine their own experience to implement adversarial software services. Combined with the way they "respect" the privacy of Chinese citizens, I don't think Apple actually cares about our privacy. It would seem that instead they're testing the waters for more radical changes[0], like using on-device machine learning to detect suicidal users or terrorists. And who's going to object when that happens, right?

[0] Source: the past century of US political discourse.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by endisneigh »

vorpalhex wrote: post #62
endisneigh wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple only wanted to scan files on your device once you decide to upload it. In other words, if you don't ever actually upload anything nothing would ever be scanned.

That upload that is the only way to load data onto your phone for many apps, that the phone is auto-opted into and that only Apple can offer? That one? The one that literally no competitor can replace since it uses special Apple entitlements?

I'm not sure what you're talking about? iOS has implemented interfaces to use things like Google Drive, One Drive, Dropbox, etc, baked into the file system.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by endisneigh »

smoldesu wrote: post #71
endisneigh wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple only wanted to scan files on your device once you decide to upload it. In other words, if you don't ever actually upload anything nothing would ever be scanned.

Nobody is mad about cloud providers scanning for objectionable content. Everyone is mad because Apple is using the hardware you payed for to perform an operation you're paying them to provide. It's like paying for an API that gives you the weather, and all the endpoint returns is a system call for your phone's thermometer. It goes to show that Apple isn't afraid to undermine their own experience to implement adversar…

Not sure what the distinction is. Either Apple uses the hardware you paid for to scan [before uploading] or uses the service you paid for [during upload] to scan.

The practical difference is nil. The fact of the matter is, either way, if you don't upload you won't be scanned, if you do upload you will be. End result is the same regardless of whether you use OneDrive, Box, Dropbox or Google Drive (who all implement CSAM scanning)

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by zahllos »

I own a pixel 6 (not the pro model), and I also regret it. I've never needed to call the emergency services but I do find relatively frequent network drops: one moment it has a 5G or LTE connection, the next it is unable to find access to the network.

This is in Switzerland on the 'flagship' carrier Swisscom. Swisscom are generally regarded as having the best overall coverage in Switzerland, helped by the fact they used to be the "PTT" i.e. a national enterprise as part of the Swiss Post. They operate Ericsson hardware, and Switzerland has lower power maximums for mobile operators compared to many European countries, resulting in a higher density of antennae. I'm also not talking about challenging environments like the mountains: I'm saying my Pixel 6 routinely drops 5G in the centre of cities like Geneva, Bern or Zürich. One of which happens to host a reasonably large Google office, so you'd figure they'd notice issues like this.

I've tried reflashing the OS from scratch, upgrading to beta versions of 'Carrier Services' etc. The issue appears to have improved over time and happens less frequently, but it still certainly happens.

My original plan was to eventually move to GrapheneOS but I'm now unsure, as I can't tell if this is the quality of stock android and the pixel hardware, and I'm rethinking my options.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by jabart »

nickpinkston wrote: post #21

I got a Pixel 6 Pro a few months ago, and it's without question the worst phone I've ever had the displeasure to own. - It crashes constantly. - Bluetooth is even buggier than usual. - Fingerprint unlock is very finicky. - The touchscreen isn't designed/calibrated well and leads to constant fat finger presses. - The hotspot is buggy to connect and randomly drops once it does connect. - The phone is so slick (ie low f…

Pixel 6 (non-pro) user here. The fingerprint unlock is a bit finicky at some odd angles but none of these other issue. Replaced a Pixel 3a and just feels a bit faster, 5g, and bigger screen.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by Vervious »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #48
dessant wrote: post #40

The repeated negligence around the handling of Android bugs related to emergency calls should result in criminal prosecution. It's unlikely that actual people weren't hurt because of these bugs. They have known about these issues for years, and they continue to give them the importance of an unresponsive button in Gmail settings. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29492884 https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comme…

> criminal prosecution Steady now. I don't think you want that.

I want that. I think that refusing to fix a life-or-death bug for 8 months is criminally negligent. Especially when millions of Pixel 6s are out in the wild, as an essential utility for millions of people.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by er888kh »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #27
nickpinkston wrote: post #21

I got a Pixel 6 Pro a few months ago, and it's without question the worst phone I've ever had the displeasure to own. - It crashes constantly. - Bluetooth is even buggier than usual. - Fingerprint unlock is very finicky. - The touchscreen isn't designed/calibrated well and leads to constant fat finger presses. - The hotspot is buggy to connect and randomly drops once it does connect. - The phone is so slick (ie low f…

So where do we go from here? I have a Samsung Galaxy S9 at the moment, but Samsung's typo-filled changelogs don't exactly inspire confidence. It has also been bugging me to accept the new Samsung Account terms, which I don't want to do. Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Apple had the CSAM scanning controversy. I have an iPad, but a bunch of features I didn't want…

Just look for a phone on which you can easily install a stable custom ROM. I previously had a Samsung device and installed Lineage OS and was happy-ish. It was clean and free of bloatware, fast, and had a good battery life. The downside was that it wasn't stable (probably never got an uptime above 48h) and the major updates were too buggy and too late.

I recently bought a Xiaomi device. The moment you turn it on you notice it's filled with spyware and bloatware. I thought I couldn't be more surprised after seeing the clock app ask for permission for "personalized experience", but they got me, in the calculator app. Other than that, the hardware is great, the themes look good, and overall it's a good experience. It's a pity I'd have to switch to a custom ROM because of this "personalized experience" MIUI nonsense.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by pid-1 »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #27
nickpinkston wrote: post #21

I got a Pixel 6 Pro a few months ago, and it's without question the worst phone I've ever had the displeasure to own. - It crashes constantly. - Bluetooth is even buggier than usual. - Fingerprint unlock is very finicky. - The touchscreen isn't designed/calibrated well and leads to constant fat finger presses. - The hotspot is buggy to connect and randomly drops once it does connect. - The phone is so slick (ie low f…

So where do we go from here? I have a Samsung Galaxy S9 at the moment, but Samsung's typo-filled changelogs don't exactly inspire confidence. It has also been bugging me to accept the new Samsung Account terms, which I don't want to do. Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Apple had the CSAM scanning controversy. I have an iPad, but a bunch of features I didn't want…

If you want a premium phone, Apple is pretty much unchallenged.

I'm not a fan of expensive phones though - I'm scared I will break it and lose $700+ in the blink of an eye. Been using cheap Motorolas for the past 10 years, no complains.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by er888kh »

BeetleB wrote: post #39
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So where do we go from here? I have a Samsung Galaxy S9 at the moment, but Samsung's typo-filled changelogs don't exactly inspire confidence. It has also been bugging me to accept the new Samsung Account terms, which I don't want to do. Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Apple had the CSAM scanning controversy. I have an iPad, but a bunch of features I didn't want…

> Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Have you considered OnePlus? Their cameras aren't the best, but they're usually as good as the other top brands in everything else.

I haven't owned one of their devices, but it seems like Linus[1] is not satisfied with their current situation.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GNoelvk6S4

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