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‘We gave public health measures a half-assed try, and they only seemed moderately effective’ is not data that shows ‘just how ineffectual masks and the vaccines are.’ Remember that the goals of most pandemic measures were to keep case levels low enough to keep hospitals functional. During periods with high regional covid caseloads, hospital capacity continues to be severely impacted. The ‘let it rip’ approach would h…

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> Regarding Trump and his immunocapitalist behavior: I understand the position of the "Great Barrington Declaration" would be to make a majority of the population "acclimated" as soon as possible. Only lock down the vulnerable population. This could be effective because covid is not as deadly as yellow fever and not dangerous to a significant portion of the population. Hindsight 2020 (pun intended) > I do wonder what…

I don’t think if we went fully uncaring of the pandemic in 2020 we would have the same results in 2022. We didn’t have vaccines, antiviral drugs, knowledge of how to treat, a less pathological strain in circulation, etc. in 2020.

Amazing case of newspeak. To call involuntary detainment at home "caring".

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> the data to show just how ineffectual masks and the vaccines are. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0715-COVID-VE.html " vaccine effectiveness (VE) was 61% for two doses against COVID-19-associated hospitalizations; VE increased to between 85%–92% after receipt of a third/booster dose. " " COVID-19 vaccines remain our single most important tool to protect people against serious illness, hospitalization, and…

They literally told us we wouldn’t even get sick if we got the vaccine. What other vaccine requires endless boosters and you still get sick?

Against the variants at the time: the mRNA vaccines were highly effective against symptomatic infection for those variants.

The virus mutated, and the messaging did as well. It was very clear from virtually every source I saw that Omicron deeply evaded vaccine immunity for symptomatic infection.

It's not their fault that you willfully misunderstand this.

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> the data to show just how ineffectual masks and the vaccines are. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0715-COVID-VE.html " vaccine effectiveness (VE) was 61% for two doses against COVID-19-associated hospitalizations; VE increased to between 85%–92% after receipt of a third/booster dose. " " COVID-19 vaccines remain our single most important tool to protect people against serious illness, hospitalization, and…

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> the data to show just how ineffectual masks and the vaccines are. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0715-COVID-VE.html " vaccine effectiveness (VE) was 61% for two doses against COVID-19-associated hospitalizations; VE increased to between 85%–92% after receipt of a third/booster dose. " " COVID-19 vaccines remain our single most important tool to protect people against serious illness, hospitalization, and…

They literally told us we wouldn’t even get sick if we got the vaccine. What other vaccine requires endless boosters and you still get sick?

A rash of stillbirths, cancer, blood-clots and heart-attacks is reported.

Are the reports true or false?

If true, are they caused by covid or the vaccine?

Propaganda and politics obscure the facts.

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That’s pretty dark. Immunocapitalism is a new word for me but we have a much longer history of using disease in North America… at least all the way back to the first Europeans coming across the ocean. Even with all of our technology and knowledge, our species is still easily recognized as the same thing that existed 1000s of years ago. True change is hard.

Those Europeans were themselves on the receiving end of foreign disease when the Black Death was brought to Europe from somewhere in Asia. Strange how for some plagues, their foreign origin is emphasized, while for others it is ignored, despite how neither were introduced deliberately.

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That’s pretty dark. Immunocapitalism is a new word for me but we have a much longer history of using disease in North America… at least all the way back to the first Europeans coming across the ocean. Even with all of our technology and knowledge, our species is still easily recognized as the same thing that existed 1000s of years ago. True change is hard.

A maturing society is hard, as those exploiting the immature really want to maintain their profits, while all the wannabe yes-people around them support their systematic abuse in the hopes they'll be in the driver seat 'soon'.

Yes, these fellows who oppose us. They are not evil, they are just immature. And we must help them to achieve maturity. For their own good and for the good of our society.

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I don’t think if we went fully uncaring of the pandemic in 2020 we would have the same results in 2022. We didn’t have vaccines, antiviral drugs, knowledge of how to treat, a less pathological strain in circulation, etc. in 2020.

The Great Barrington declaration did not suggest "going fully uncaring" just that our efforts should have been targeted rather than generalized to the whole. I too wonder what this would of looked like. Children would've absolutely had an easier time of it if we did.

it didn't even require a "great declaration" to realize, as a thinking layperson, in ~april 2020 that this pandemic was serious but not nearly as deadly as the bubonic plague or the spanish flu, and that the elderly and unhealthy were disproportionately affected. that in turn made it obvious that targeted efforts were the right approach, but both parties were unwilling to do the right thing and let the opportunity pass for wielding and centralizing political power.
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