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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by cloutchaser »

ed_voc wrote: post #872
notatoad wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>rather than free speech i encourage anybody who is calls themselves a "free speech advocate" to consider what kiwifarms has been doing to "free speech". their intimidation campaigns have been doing a lot more to harm the cause of free speech than this decision by cloudflare is. if you really believe in free speech, you understand that trans people deserve free speech too, and kiwifarms harrasment campaigns have been…

There seems to be a double standard with who can partake in intimidation campaigns. Before any mention of keffals in Kiwifarms she was running a harassment campaign against Destiny, making false accusations that he was a rapist and rallying their followers to get him de-platformed on all platforms. The worst situation is having one sided intimidation campaigns where trans activists can de-platform users like Destiny…

As far as I know both the people who doxxed kavanagh and jk Rowling are still happily posting on twitter.

Oh and the journalist who threatened those schoolboys with violence.

Of course those aren’t real threats of violence apparently. Only the right threatens actual violence. The left only does rhetoric. /s

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

Just remember everyone, the precedence this sets.. All you have to do to get a site taken down is create an account and make a ridiculous threat, even if the post is taken down in less than 30 minutes and the user banned, the site is still guilty.

And never forget that keffals has gone on record saying that their enemies (KF) is irredeemably evil because of the mean things they say, and thus no tactic against them is going "too far" (something that could be easily taken as a threat in itself I might add) And then suddenly threats and swattings start happening where the perpetrator literally goes out of their way to put blame on KF.

Also a reminder that this all suddenly happened just as things were calming down. (and the hate campaign to shut down the site beginning to run out of gas)

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by richbell »

skissane wrote: post #791
wahnfrieden wrote: post #760

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Do you have any evidence to support your claims that Cloudflare donated money to Westboro Baptist Church? Unless you have good evidence, your claims are slander.

Forgive me, but it's technically libel. Slander is spoken, libel is written.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by tlogan »

Why do they need cloudflare? That is the problem.

We (the US) need a build global infrastructure which will provide basic security and DoS protection for any website hosted in US: 100% free and public. Website might choose not use it.

Sure it will be run by government but the internet is run by the government anyway.

I think that will solve problems like this.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by trasz »

ed_voc wrote: post #872
notatoad wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>rather than free speech i encourage anybody who is calls themselves a "free speech advocate" to consider what kiwifarms has been doing to "free speech". their intimidation campaigns have been doing a lot more to harm the cause of free speech than this decision by cloudflare is. if you really believe in free speech, you understand that trans people deserve free speech too, and kiwifarms harrasment campaigns have been…

There seems to be a double standard with who can partake in intimidation campaigns. Before any mention of keffals in Kiwifarms she was running a harassment campaign against Destiny, making false accusations that he was a rapist and rallying their followers to get him de-platformed on all platforms. The worst situation is having one sided intimidation campaigns where trans activists can de-platform users like Destiny…

>making false accusations that he was a rapist

This is a lie. What happened is Destiny had a tirade about how to him stealthing isn’t rape, and Keffals pointed it out. Then KF went wild, as seen above.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by animuchan »

> This is an extraordinary decision for us to make

It's really not, CF blocked websites that they dislike in the past, and they continue doing so.

I don't mind a company sabotaging their customers, but the blog post is beyond pale.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by byyll »

SapporoChris wrote: post #871
xdmr wrote: post #767

CF could have said to KF "For various reasons we no longer wish to do business with you. In 24 hours we will stop redirecting to your servers. Please make appropriate arrangements." Had they done this, they would not have actually been censoring KF. They would also have been behaving like a responsible service provider by not cutting off service without notice. Instead, they seem to have made the decision to do this…

Cloudflare: "... we believe are potential criminal acts and imminent threats to human life that were posted to the site." No, Cloudflare isn't obligated to continue to provide services to support "potential criminal acts and imminent threats to human life". Perhaps if KiwiFarms had better moderated their content and discouraged such behavior this could have been avoided.

The bomb threat was removed in less than 15 minutes and the user was banned in less than 30 minutes and threats are discouraged both by the website and by other users which could be seen by the amount of downvote reactions to the threat before it was removed.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by byyll »

AgentME wrote: post #411
Cyberdog wrote: post #49

They muffed it. They were proving to the world how reliable they could be and repairing the damage from the Stormfront debacle, and again they just showed how prone to caving to pressure they can be. What a joke. I will never use CF for anything I want kept online in the face of angry people.

It blows my mind that someone would judge a company for not hosting a literal neonazi website.

Today it's this, tomorrow it's something else. Not CP or DDoS-for-hire though, Cloudflare will happily protect those forums and services.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by WORMS_EAT_WORMS »

phillipcarter wrote: post #47
orf wrote: post #24

Pretty crazy turnaround. I really liked the pretty clear and reasoned abuse policy[1] they put out recently, and I don't envy the position they are in. On one hand, yes, this specific site is terrible. But they are trying very hard to not become the arbiters of what is terrible and what isn't terrible, and I respect them for that. It's not an easy line to take, and other companies like Google and Facebook have not ma…

I genuinely believe that it's entirely possible to be seen as very neutral and also just ban nazi sites, troll farms, etc. because you choose not to do business with them.

I read comments like this and it reminds me just how much critical thinking has been stripped away from people via their social media over consumption.

Did you forget when a duly-elected president of a Democratic nation was deplatformed under your same “easy no brainer” principles?

Yeah, yeah, that’s different, that guy sucked (is a Nazi even?).

What happens though when you don’t think he sucks or it’s a to a marginalized group?

You can’t understand why these ideas are controversial?

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by nematode_tech »

rejectfinite wrote: post #862
nematode_tech wrote: post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

>Why do browser makers like Mozilla not put Kiwifarms and other hate sites on their "safe browsing" denylists when these sites are obviously unsafe for marginalized people? Those lists are for malware. Not for site content. You have grossly misunderstood the function of those lists.

Malware is software that causes harm. Are you suggesting hate sites don't cause harm? Wow.
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