They aren't giving us any details. Nothing really changed over the last two weeks. My guess is somebody is using suicide threats as leverage here.
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Blocking Kiwifarms
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#892Not surprising at all that Cloudflare went through with its plan to terminate its contract with Kiwifarms. Reddit had the exact same process happen back in 2021 with r/NoNewNormal. People cried and whined on the site for the subreddit to be banned, Spez wrote an official post defending the subreddits existence by pointing out its freedom of speech, and not long after crumbled and banned the subreddit (And still banned to this day). Corporations do not care about freedom of speech, especially when certain types of speech threaten their health.
These flowery corporate blog posts are close to worthless, and I am glad that this step has been taken, as Kiwifarms will reinforce itself further as it has numerous times in the past in response to external threats and will become even more difficult to take down. At the time of Cloudflares decision earlier, Cloudflare had been the weakest link in the infrastructure of the site. Any solution implemented now will certainly be more resilient and reliable.
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#893These seem to be the "threats"
https://kiwifarms.ru/threads/matthew-prince-lied.128900/#pos...
Notice how once again that have nothing at all to do with KF, simply claims by others that it was from them.
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#894Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…
>rather than free speech i encourage anybody who is calls themselves a "free speech advocate" to consider what kiwifarms has been doing to "free speech". their intimidation campaigns have been doing a lot more to harm the cause of free speech than this decision by cloudflare is. if you really believe in free speech, you understand that trans people deserve free speech too, and kiwifarms harrasment campaigns have been…
You mean practicing and protecting it?
What harassment campaigns? Talking about someone and pointing out what publicly say is not harassment.
"free speech is certain types of people not having anything they don't like spoken anywhere"
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#895Not surprising at all that Cloudflare went through with its plan to terminate its contract with Kiwifarms. Reddit had the exact same process happen back in 2021 with r/NoNewNormal. People cried and whined on the site for the subreddit to be banned, Spez wrote an official post defending the subreddits existence by pointing out its freedom of speech, and not long after crumbled and banned the subreddit (And still banne…
Kiwi Farms was literally and deliberately driving people to suicide.
Your argument appears to be this: "Private companies should be forced by the government to host any content, no matter how horrifying and evil it is."
Your argument is morally horrifying, and legally indefensible.
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#896Typical weasel word announcement from a big company bending over backwards to satisfy the prevailing voices of a political narrative. This has nothing to do with 'free speech' or 'due process'. It is about ensuring a brand stays appealing. I say this because they weren't specific about the credibility of any 'threats' made. They invented an enemy and then used it to justify suppressing Kiwifarms --as a whole--. Very…
* “If there really was a ‘life threatening situation’ Kiwifarms should have been allowed to handle this themselves.” *
By bullying more mentally ill people into suicide and forcing people to flee from their homes out of fear for their lives?
You sound like you’d fit right into that website. I hope you’re just 10 years old or something or have some valid excuse to genuinely not understand yet, because if you don’t then you need to go outside and interact with society for a change.
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#897I agree with CloudFlare's stance about security tooling I agree with this decision I agree with their hesitance to consider this their privilege Frankly I am impressed with how CF handled this That being said, timing is a bit sus with their stock price. Although I think I believe they are standing on principal, it's easy to make a case that they are just watching the market and responding.
Stock price?
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#898I think a lot of people in the comments don't understand what Kiwifarms is. I say this as someone who occasionally browses there and gets some (admittedly sick) enjoyment from it: the main draw of the website is a place for people to get together and bully mentally ill "weirdos". It's not just about people posting offensive shit in their own little corner of the internet - what happens there spreads out, by design, i…
> It's not just about people posting offensive shit in their own little corner of the internet - what happens there spreads out, by design, into the mainstream web and real life too. During the Black Lives Matter riots, we had a full summer of looting, destruction, violence and riots. The BLM ideas also "spread out, by design, into the mainstream web and real life too". And they resulted in violence in a scale much,…
Clearly you don't understand the difference to "people responding to a serious and systematic injustice" and "people trying to harass others until they commit suicide."
Consider developing some sort of moral or ethical sense.
Oh, and there is no official "Black Lives Matter" site. Someone registered one after the fact, but they have no official standing or really do much of anything.
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#899Not surprising at all that Cloudflare went through with its plan to terminate its contract with Kiwifarms. Reddit had the exact same process happen back in 2021 with r/NoNewNormal. People cried and whined on the site for the subreddit to be banned, Spez wrote an official post defending the subreddits existence by pointing out its freedom of speech, and not long after crumbled and banned the subreddit (And still banne…
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not from a private company which you signed a contract of expected behaviour with.
NoNewNormal was a misinformation shitshow to the fullest, objectively. There is nothing subjective about confusing mRNA and DNA.
Re: Blocking Kiwifarms
#900Not surprising at all that Cloudflare went through with its plan to terminate its contract with Kiwifarms. Reddit had the exact same process happen back in 2021 with r/NoNewNormal. People cried and whined on the site for the subreddit to be banned, Spez wrote an official post defending the subreddits existence by pointing out its freedom of speech, and not long after crumbled and banned the subreddit (And still banne…
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not from a private company which you signed a contract of expected behaviour with. NoNewNormal was a misinformation shitshow to the fullest, objectively. There is nothing subjective about confusing mRNA and DNA.
NoNewNormal was not wholly misinformation, and in fact had very little of it, and even if a particularly high percentage of the threads were misinformation, why does that justify censoring it? Who gets to decide what is and isn't valid information and what discussions should and shouldn't occur?
For the time I used it, I did not see anyone confuse mRNA and DNA. You are either completely fabricating evidence or disingenuously cherry-picking individual threads/posts to represent the entire community.