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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#811
post #382

I don't understand where the myth of a "free" Internet comes from. Since privatization in 1993, you've always been held to _someone's_ terms of service. Even if you become your own ISP--get an ASN, IP space, a place to rack equipment--you still have to find someone to peer with, and if you bring enough heat you'll find yourself dropped. Not to mention DNS which is subject to the laws of the country of registrar; plen…

By that definition nothing at all is free.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#812

They muffed it. They were proving to the world how reliable they could be and repairing the damage from the Stormfront debacle, and again they just showed how prone to caving to pressure they can be. What a joke. I will never use CF for anything I want kept online in the face of angry people.

You took the worst example you could take and that says a lot.

Do you plan to build something like kiwifarms? Don't and grow up, focus on building useful projects.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#813
Well functioning adults would have just given the boot to kiwifarms as soon as they discovered they were using their service. No childish discussions about free speech needed, who has time for this?

Regardless, Cloudflare with their first response has shown its true colors, joke of a company managed by kids.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#816

Boy, this sure would have been a lot easier if they just dropped Kiwi Farms with little fanfare the instant it was clear they were using CF. I bet they'd have been able to even keep the perception that they're a super neutral platform, too.

EXACTLY, it would have fixed the issue instantly, they could have done it years ago as soon as they discovered the existence of kiwifarms.

Don't they care about reputational damage? Who cares about some obscure forums for weirdos.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#818

Seems to me it would be better for Cloudflare to keep serving Kiwifarms, and cooperate with government requests for access logs / etc. Then at least our law enforcement would have data to help with finding threat actors.

I hope that law enforcement has already infiltrated the forum, it seems common sense, get them before they act.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#819

Typical weasel word announcement from a big company bending over backwards to satisfy the prevailing voices of a political narrative. This has nothing to do with 'free speech' or 'due process'. It is about ensuring a brand stays appealing. I say this because they weren't specific about the credibility of any 'threats' made. They invented an enemy and then used it to justify suppressing Kiwifarms --as a whole--. Very…

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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#820

Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…

Freedom of speech isn't about speech. It's about hearing. There are people who want to read or listen to what others have to say, and often for reasons besides agreement with the author's statements. By silencing someone, you are preventing others from reading what they want to read or hearing what they want to hear. I certainly don't agree with the posts and comments on kiwifarms, but I want to understand what they believe and why. Also, there is a diamond in that dung heap of a website. Kiwifarms users archive tons of stuff, and those archives are very valuable.

Moreover, I cannot help but notice the double standard you've created. You still provide services to godhatesfags.com. Hell, cloudflare provides DDoS protection for ISIS content. How can you say that kiwifarms is too dangerous when you're ensuring that copies of Inspire and Dabiq are available for extremists to read? If you want to talk about dangerous content, go after the people who claim that they want to murder innocent people and have done so many times in the past.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspire_(magazine)

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabiq_(magazine)

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