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Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Re: Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Post by panick21_ »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #131
prng2021 wrote: post #83

I hate that auto companies are trying to copy Tesla’s awful product design philosophy of controlling everything via a screen and software. It’s the worst thing to happen to the industry since its inception in my opinion. 1. We’re now introducing so many brand new problems to automobiles or tremendously exacerbating existing ones. I’m referring to problems inherent to all complex software. Bugs, updates causing variou…

What people say they value and what they spend their money on are usually very different things. The reality is that Tesla is selling well and companies that are investing in similar products are doing extremely well currently. For all their flaws, these cars are way better than ICE cars. VW is getting a lot of criticism. Yet, if you try to order one now, you might be waiting until well into next year. They are selli…

> They have invested a lot in production capacity and they are on track to match Tesla in production volume in a few years.

Are they? Because that's not what the actual numbers tell me. But that is what they are claiming. And its what GM claims as well (with far less credibility of course). Its just the trendy thing to say.

The underlying assumption is that Tesla will slow down, but that hasn't been happening.

VW thanks to Diselgate is in a good position with EV, to be sure.

Re: Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Post by ahartmetz »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #98
gumby wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the model for the tron/itron os in Japan. Most devices you buy from Japan run itron.

Yeah, I still cannot get over that answer. I mean, Fraunhofer is a major German research org and it should be in their business to promote such solutions. To fire something like this out, in front of the people who definitely attended those universities, that was shocking. To this day I don’t know if I was simply naive or if my question was stupid in any way.

To be fair, German universities are really bad at software engineering. CS in Germany is highly theoretical.

Re: Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Post by hulahoof »

barry-cotter wrote: post #74
astrange wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMHO the only countries that really understand software at both a technical and business value add level are US, AUS, Canada, China, with India less so but in that group and Japan just barely getting in. What are Australia and Canada doing in there? Australia has… Atlassian? Besides that, I’ve only heard of developers in Aus/Canada/Japan being well paid if they work for US companies like Google or are parked there…

> Australia is a petrostate pretending to be a service economy Come now, it’s more of an iron ore or coal state than an oil one. Beef is more of their exports. https://oec.world/en/profile/country/aus

As an Australian I agreed with your comment, but the link you shared indicate that petroleum actually is a larger export for us

> The top exports of Australia are Iron Ore ($79.6B), Coal Briquettes ($36.4B), Petroleum Gas ($26.8B), Gold ($17.7B), and Frozen Bovine Meat ($4B)

Re: Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Post by panick21_ »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #133
dontknowwhyihn wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly what I want. I think there’s a huge, untapped market for an electric car with minimal software. A car that doesn’t need software updates and doesn’t track you.

Just like that huge, untapped market for a cell phone with minimal software. Yup, people will be lining up around the block for the modern equivalent of a Motorola razr or Nokia brickphone. There’s dozens of us! Dozens!

Its always funny when Hackers think their obscure tastes are universal.

Re: Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Post by petre »

marssaxman wrote: post #91
gumby wrote: post #15

I've been following this debacle in the German press and I think there's a structural problem that they will struggle to dig their way out of. And by "they" I don't mean just VW, but much of European industry. Software is simply not valued in Europe, and not because there aren't amazing developers there -- there are many. But software isn't considered important Let's start with cars. Back before cars were just comput…

I think you have just convinced me to buy German cars exclusively from now on; I very much do not want a car which is "just a computer with wheels" - the less software in the car, the better!

They're unreliable and some of them are quite offensive as well (BMW X6 types). If you don't want too much software, buy an Italian car. It's unreliable as well but it still limps with a shot sensor. And some of them are quite beautiful too. Otherwise I'd go for Japanese cars.

Re: Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Post by WanderPanda »

gernb wrote: post #182
gumby wrote: post #15

I've been following this debacle in the German press and I think there's a structural problem that they will struggle to dig their way out of. And by "they" I don't mean just VW, but much of European industry. Software is simply not valued in Europe, and not because there aren't amazing developers there -- there are many. But software isn't considered important Let's start with cars. Back before cars were just comput…

This is good insight. I does make me wonder if Tesla actually has a chance. Their software doesn't seem all that great. The UX in a Tesla got objectively worse on Christmas day, 2021 when they released a big change and gave us fart noises instead of a good UX. It now takes several more touches to do common tasks than it did December 24th, 2021. For some inexplicable reason they have a web browser in the car. Every ti…

CarPlay > Tesla UI >> traditional manufacturer UI

Re: Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Post by Bombthecat »

lacker wrote: post #58
gumby wrote: post #15

I've been following this debacle in the German press and I think there's a structural problem that they will struggle to dig their way out of. And by "they" I don't mean just VW, but much of European industry. Software is simply not valued in Europe, and not because there aren't amazing developers there -- there are many. But software isn't considered important Let's start with cars. Back before cars were just comput…

Software is simply not valued in Europe, and not because there aren't amazing developers there -- there are many. But software isn't considered important In many ways this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. An organization thinks software engineers aren't very important. And it doesn't pay the sort of salaries you need to get the top talent. So it doesn't have any top-tier software engineers, and their software team stru…

Or they hire top notch developers, just for them to run away.

Because the culture and processes didn't change.

Seen it several times.

Re: Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Post by WanderPanda »

lokar wrote: post #119
pedalpete wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Canadian living in Australia. Australia has much more than just Atlassian. Canva is the 9th most valuable private company according to crunchbase [1]. But you need to look deeper than just "who has the biggest most successful companies. Note, the comment says "countries that understand software". From what I've seen, and one of the reasons I moved here, Australia values quality production. They understand where…

Atlassian certainly does not value software quality.

To a point where Microsoft should consider acquiring Atlassian because they are so similar in this regard

Re: Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Post by Bombthecat »

WanderPanda wrote: post #206
gernb wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is good insight. I does make me wonder if Tesla actually has a chance. Their software doesn't seem all that great. The UX in a Tesla got objectively worse on Christmas day, 2021 when they released a big change and gave us fart noises instead of a good UX. It now takes several more touches to do common tasks than it did December 24th, 2021. For some inexplicable reason they have a web browser in the car. Every ti…

CarPlay > Tesla UI >> traditional manufacturer UI

Android Auto got a long way. Pretty good too now
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