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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by KennyBlanken »

atdrummond wrote: post #609
initplus wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kiwifarms should have been dealt with by the traditional legal system years ago. It is honestly shocking to me that the operator has never been charged. The site has been engaging in mass harassment for years and is responsible for multiple suicides. When the legal system fails, people turn to vigilante justice, and we get this mess instead. People feel so strongly that Kiwifarms should be taken offline that they eng…

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You are oddly well-informed on the subject of trans people who are victims of organized doxxing and harassment.

Why is that, [redacted]?

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by convery »

noodles_nomore wrote: post #710
convery wrote: post #321

Wow, there sure is a lot of flagged/dead comments here that mentions some inconvenient info..

Remember that you can vouch for comments via their direct link (in the time stamp).

Thank you, didn't know that you had to use the direct link. Thought they just removed that feature a while ago =P

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by philliphaydon »

So with KF being knocked off CF and it’s back online already. What’s the end goal?

It seems like this does nothing more than push the forum more underground and hidden. But doesn’t actually solve the issue of them doxing people?

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by dmatech »

smlx wrote: post #521
eastdakota wrote: post #391

Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…

Imagine I own a bunch of billboards around town. A customer comes to me with cash and wants to display someone's personal details and a message encouraging harassment on my billboards. Do I have to wait for law enforcement to stop me from displaying their content? Or can I, as a private company, make a judgement call and decline their business? I think the answer here is pretty obvious and your attempt at passing the…

Now suppose they own the billboard themselves but you're the power company they use to light up that billboard. Do you cut their power?

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by creeble »

Great, now will you take down the dozens of free-speech-suppressing DDoS-for-hire sites that use Cloudflare for protection?

Or are these too far above Cloudflare’s moral standard?

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by cpurdy »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #708
notatoad wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>rather than free speech i encourage anybody who is calls themselves a "free speech advocate" to consider what kiwifarms has been doing to "free speech". their intimidation campaigns have been doing a lot more to harm the cause of free speech than this decision by cloudflare is. if you really believe in free speech, you understand that trans people deserve free speech too, and kiwifarms harrasment campaigns have been…

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>It's very hard for me to take this seriously when the same rules are never applied to trans people and their advocates.

I know that I'm going to regret stepping in this pile of community dog poo, but ...

The simple idea behind "the rule of law" and the concept of "justice" is that it applies equally to all. Regardless of what someone claims to "support" or "oppose" online, death threats are illegal (and sometimes deadly) and should be dealt with accordingly.

I am personally unaware of "trans people and their advocates" having "free reign everywhere on the internet to harass, doxx, send death threats, call for the murder of JK Rowling". As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"; in the absence of such evidence, which your post is, your claims are inflammatory, at best. Were there an option to report your comment (or were I intelligent enough to know how that option worked), I would have done so.

I know that I should not have to spell this out, but it is not OK to threaten people's lives. This, regardless of whether (i) you are trans, (ii) you support trans people, (iii) you hate trans people, or (iv) none of the above.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by heydemo »

Many people appear to be missing the point here. Cloudflare claims there was an imminent threat to life created by KF. That's a factual assertion that's either true or false (and well probably find out which.)

If true, free speech is not applicable. Blocking the walkie-talkies of terrorists coordinating a bombing does not restrict "free speech" under any reasonable definition.

This level of tactical coordination to commit violence appears to be what they are hinting at in their post, and I take them at their word .

It may be they are lying and caved to pressure in regards to KF being generally heinous, but until we find out the specific information that caused them to assess an imminent threat to life, we can't really judge the wisdom of their decision.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by charcircuit »

jmyeet wrote: post #353
Icathian wrote: post #40

There were no good choices for Cloudflare here, and everyone across the internet who jams their fingers in their ears and shouts their position repeatedly is just contributing to the problem. Private companies should not be the de facto moderators of free speech in our society. They are forced into that position by woefully inadequate governance by legal authorities operating multiple decades behind the current lands…

> There were no good choices for Cloudflare here ... I couldn't disagree more. Just cut off sites for organized harassment and nazis immediately. If you're able to, hand over any archives you have to law enforcement. Don't even talk about it . Just let such sites disappear one day. Don't give them any more attention. Could you be breaching a contract? Maybe. But who cares? You think the KF owners are going to reveal…

>You think the KF owners are going to reveal themselves and sue?

Josh doesn't anonymously run the site. The site is fully legal in the US so he isn't afraid of being associated with it.

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