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Melting ice reveals two-million-year old peat

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Re: Melting ice reveals two-million-year old peat

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Post by UncleEntity »

edgefield wrote: post #45
blueflow wrote: post #43

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> the planet will become hostile to human life Example of someone blowing it out of proportion, right in your parent post. The trust issues don't come from nowhere.

Have you seen the news about Pakistan? A third of the country has turned into an ocean. 1,000+ have died. Millions have lost their homes. This sounds pretty hostile to human life. Don’t you think?

That happens to the California Central Valley on a semi-regular basis. They intentionally let the floodwaters go to protect the cities.

Next year they get a large snowfall with an early spring warming and it will happen again.

California is just hostile to human life I suppose.

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Post by UncleEntity »

NegativeK wrote: post #12
treeman79 wrote: post #10

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Ocean used to be 400 feet lower. We are still coming out of an ice age. People will move further inland if needed.

That feels like it's oversimplifying the effects of mass displacement and the destruction (both economic and physical) of all of the residential, commercial, agricultural, industrial, etc. property.

It’s not like it’s going to happen over a weekend, people will have plenty of time to adapt to the new normal. Factories get moved (overseas), houses and people get relocated, humanity survives.

The thing I like most about these debates is if you state a simple and obvious fact people will attack you as a denier because the sky isn’t falling. But I can’t resist even though I know better.

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Post by edgefield »

UncleEntity wrote: post #61
edgefield wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the news about Pakistan? A third of the country has turned into an ocean. 1,000+ have died. Millions have lost their homes. This sounds pretty hostile to human life. Don’t you think?

That happens to the California Central Valley on a semi-regular basis. They intentionally let the floodwaters go to protect the cities. Next year they get a large snowfall with an early spring warming and it will happen again. California is just hostile to human life I suppose.

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mek6800d2 wrote: post #55
enchiridion wrote: post #25

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That might be right. I took it in the spirit of climate change advocates who tend to argue for immediate radical change. Underlying those arguments is a belief that we will not be able to address problems as they arise in the future. I think we will. I believe in the power of human ingenuity to respond to constraints of the environment. That’s what I took it to mean; the ability to solve unsolved problems when the ne…

Kind of like stopping a volcano or an earthquake. What happens when the problem gets too far gone and the vaunted human ingenuity is utterly impotent in solving the problem? (I mean the point after which there is literally nothing humans could do to react to the problem.) To get an idea of the monumental complexities of global warming, I recommend reading The Emerald Planet: How Plants Changed Earth's History by Davi…

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Post by blueflow »

edgefield wrote: post #64
UncleEntity wrote: post #61

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That happens to the California Central Valley on a semi-regular basis. They intentionally let the floodwaters go to protect the cities. Next year they get a large snowfall with an early spring warming and it will happen again. California is just hostile to human life I suppose.

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Stay with the facts, don't blow things out of proportion, and don't call people names. Some behaviors are not well received regardless of whether you are right or not.

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Post by baix777 »

blueflow wrote: post #43
shakezula wrote: post #32

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I’m consistently surprised by how effective the “scientism” push has been at muddying the waters, and places like HN show it most readily. I have more than several friends who are smart, highly educated individuals, working in tech or tech adjacent jobs, who are absolutely convinced that the scientific community is all blowing this “climate change” out of control and that it’s really a symptom of some deeper problem…

> the planet will become hostile to human life Example of someone blowing it out of proportion, right in your parent post. The trust issues don't come from nowhere.

I would be more accurate to say parts of the planet will become hostile to human life that currently are not. India, for example, will have human shattering heat waves. And it is hard to live in a city when it is underwater.

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Post by WayCoolJr »

random314 wrote: post #20
edgefield wrote: post #9

As an aside, it’s striking to me that Hacker News has a significant audience of flat earthers. Don’t look up, right? Let’s be clear, human caused climate change is very real. Rigorous science confirms this and CO2 + methane levels are now driving very visible and catastrophic weather all over the world. The only thing left to debate is how quickly the planet will become hostile to human life and whether some scientif…

I noticed an influx of Republicans into HN about 2 years ago. Since then there have been a lot of emphasis on Republican talking points, including vaccine phobia, mask phobia, climate science denial and other anti science stances. The change felt quite sudden.

Right, I mean who do Republicans think they are asking questions? You cannot question science ever because science has never ever been wrong. I mean the simple act of asking questions itself is of course, anti-science. At least they put that one jerk, Galileo, under house arrest for questioning science.

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Post by random314 »

WayCoolJr wrote: post #68
random314 wrote: post #20

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I noticed an influx of Republicans into HN about 2 years ago. Since then there have been a lot of emphasis on Republican talking points, including vaccine phobia, mask phobia, climate science denial and other anti science stances. The change felt quite sudden.

Right, I mean who do Republicans think they are asking questions? You cannot question science ever because science has never ever been wrong. I mean the simple act of asking questions itself is of course, anti-science. At least they put that one jerk, Galileo, under house arrest for questioning science.

Galileo was jailed for questioning religious dogma and propagating science.

This is exactly the kind of absurdist comedy that didn't exist on HN 3 years ago, equating the scientist Galileo with vaccine denialists.

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Post by random314 »

vkou wrote: post #38
datalopers wrote: post #23

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> The change felt quite sudden They've always been here but vocal and unashamed airing of those views is what rapidly changed across culture (not limited to HN) as a whole. Ignorance and conspiracy is now a badge of honor.

If they are at all representative of the party itself, their views were also different in the past. The views of an average republican from 2006, on many, many subjects don't look much like those of an average republican from 2020. It's the consequence of a big tentpole party embracing it's loony fringe. Many party members will change their views to whatever the party tells them, even if it tells them that black is w…

The message is - don't look up
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