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Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by xboxnolifes »

tmcz26 wrote: post #323
xboxnolifes wrote: post #302

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I must stink, because I get most of my rejections at the HR stage. But I also have no idea what to ask during them either. They always give their 10 minute spiel about what the company is, ask me to give my own 5-10 minute spiel about my work history, then ask if I have any questions. I give my 5-10 minutes of regurgitating my resume in sentence form, and then generally don't have any questions. what kind of question…

Ask about the company culture and work environment, the team you’ll be working on. Compensation if they haven’t said anything yet. This HR sniff test also serves to check for interest. When I interview, if the person has zero questions for me it means they don’t really care that much or weren’t paying attention. Questions mean you’re curious. A 10-minute speech about what the company is and the team does is not enoug…

I don't ask about culture because even if I did, I wouldn't believe it unless I saw it. There is no incentive for people with bad culture to be truthful. And even then, I'd rather ask the people I'd be working with, not the HR department.

I do ask about the team I'll be working on, but that's basically it.

You're right that the 10 minute speech isn't enough. I'd even say it serves no value. Which is why it goes in one ear and out the other.

While I try to put on my fake HR face to hide it, I don't have interest. I'm a replaceable cog, and the company is a replaceable machine. But we all need money to live.

Tbh, if sounds like HR interviews want brown-nosing. Not in compliments or anything, but in asking the questions they expect you to ask, and faking your responses and enthusiasm to be just right to tickle their fancy.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by lelanthran »

philliphaydon wrote: post #336
lelanthran wrote: post #325

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> In a smaller business, the cost of recruitment process can be huge, it's not just 1 hour interview and you're done as an employer. It's hours of reviewing CVs, contacting people, arranging times, conducting interviews, weening people out, disruption to your primary job role, etc etc. That's a huge cost and drain on the business. Not as life-changing to the business as it is to the employee. > At the same time I've…

> And yet, that did not cause the business to pay the current employees less, or downstaff, did it? > After all, if the financial implication did not involve cutting costs down just to survive, then it is not comparable to an individual, who literally has to spend less money and cut out existing costs just to survive. I’m not sure you understand. It still costs the company. It was the employees decision to leave beca…

> I’m not sure you understand. It still costs the company.

I'm not contending that, I'm saying that for the employee it is a matter of survival. For the company, it's not.

> Should the company say “oh no problem we will just pay you because we have some money in the bank right at this very moment in time”?

Where in " the employer can easily weather (or not even notice) the ending of that employment, while the employee undergoes a life-changing event. " did you read that?

I said that it's not an equal risk; the individual stands to lose a lot more by losing their job than the company stands to lose by losing the individual.

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Post by BuckRogers »

PainfullyNormal wrote: post #301
BuckRogers wrote: post #128

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One thing to always remember, because it's the same for me as for you, remember that most jobs are already accounted for. They often interview for quotas, gotta try out 3 people or such. I've clearly been the best qualified candidate a few times, as a grizzled software developer going for devops jobs. Still don't get it. They often know who they want to hire before any interviews begin. While that's not always true,…

> They often know who they want to hire before any interviews begin. I've seen the same thing as well. One company even flew me out to their headquarters to interview for a position they knew they were going to give to somebody internally. I found out because they left me alone with a senior developer on the team. I asked him what my chances were of getting the job and he told me. I wonder if there's a good way to fi…

And people have been claiming for decades that private industry is more efficient and less corrupt than government.

If we only made one of these businessmen president instead of a politician.

Trying to tease out these roles that are starting off on such a horrendous level of efficiency is difficult.

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Post by I_AM_A_SMURF »

ammanley wrote: post #344
I_AM_A_SMURF wrote: post #215

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Have you tried ADHD medications? I don't normally take them but they really helped me going through the interviews (I legitimately have ADHD, but the side effects are too much for me for normal use)

Did you find that that helped you focus despite anxiety? Annoyingly, I've only been able to get my hands on the most common one, Adderall, which turns me into a bouncy boy flying off the walls for some reason. It sadly seemed to trigger my anxiety too. Child comment mentions trying some others, which I might do. (Have been on multiple different anti anxiety / depression meds, as well as a few anti seizure meds too fw…

Ah that's the catch, I didn't get anxiety from Adderall so that wasn't a problem. As others have said, I would try some other medication if possible at all, they really do help.

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Post by sizzle »

anonymoushn wrote: post #219
I_AM_A_SMURF wrote: post #215

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Have you tried ADHD medications? I don't normally take them but they really helped me going through the interviews (I legitimately have ADHD, but the side effects are too much for me for normal use)

There are some with minimal sides, if you can stand going to a doctor enough times to try out and reject several.

Any recommendation? Vynase, Dexedrine, etc?

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Post by sizzle »

treeman79 wrote: post #352
ammanley wrote: post #344

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Did you find that that helped you focus despite anxiety? Annoyingly, I've only been able to get my hands on the most common one, Adderall, which turns me into a bouncy boy flying off the walls for some reason. It sadly seemed to trigger my anxiety too. Child comment mentions trying some others, which I might do. (Have been on multiple different anti anxiety / depression meds, as well as a few anti seizure meds too fw…

Adderral is rough. I’ve had better luck with Concerta or vyvanse Adderall would make me super energetic for hours. Crazy chattt. Then I would be really focused for a for a couple hours. Then it would wear off and I would be drained. After a few weeks I started having horrific burning pain throughout body. Extended release is supposed to be better. I do much better on other Medication. Kids do great on them. One is be…

Dexedrine has less stimulating effects and more smoother side effects, still an amphetamine like Adderall. Check it out with a doctor.

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Post by NonNefarious »

celdon25 wrote: post #292
NonNefarious wrote: post #250

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From that I would guess Google, who are known to be douchebags in the interview process and in the peer-eval process. Hell, they admitted as much a few years ago... and claimed they were going to try to be better.

Google told me the interview would be in my choice of language. I chose C#, passed the first interview, then the second interview was in C and was based on language trivia. The kind of stuff you won’t know unless you work with C on a daily basis. Needless to say I was pissed.

That is right in line with the experience of a good friend of mine.

He went on a Google interview, and they said he could solve a problem in the language of his choice. They gave him the assignment and left the room. Since we were at Apple at the time, he was coding daily in Objective-C. So he solved the problem in that.

Despite having said "use any language," the guy came back and said, "Oh, not THAT one."

And that's not even covering the douchebaggery that reportedly occurs once you work there. Another trusted friend, who worked there for years, reported being forced to rank coworkers with a graphical tool that shows pictures of them... and requires you to move them up or down on the screen to put some above others. It makes it impossible for you to put people on an equal level.

This is not from someone who makes stuff up, not to mention that this would be an oddly detailed thing to make up.

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Post by sizzle »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #299
PebblesHD wrote: post #177

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Surprised to see Square and Canva in the list there. I’m currently staff level elsewhere but semi-regularly get approached by them with offers lower than $200k for senior roles. Would you say the salaries mentioned are fairly common there or fairly niche?

They would be very rare unless he’s talking total compensation (inc. super, stocks, bonuses) at the larger companies. Even then I’d expect the average to be low $200k for a senior depending on how they define senior.

What does super mean in this context? Thanks

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Post by celdon25 »

NonNefarious wrote: post #377
celdon25 wrote: post #292

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Google told me the interview would be in my choice of language. I chose C#, passed the first interview, then the second interview was in C and was based on language trivia. The kind of stuff you won’t know unless you work with C on a daily basis. Needless to say I was pissed.

That is right in line with the experience of a good friend of mine. He went on a Google interview, and they said he could solve a problem in the language of his choice. They gave him the assignment and left the room. Since we were at Apple at the time, he was coding daily in Objective-C. So he solved the problem in that. Despite having said "use any language," the guy came back and said, "Oh, not THAT one." And that'…

Wow, guess I dodged a bullet then.

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Post by PebblesHD »

sizzle wrote: post #378
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #299

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They would be very rare unless he’s talking total compensation (inc. super, stocks, bonuses) at the larger companies. Even then I’d expect the average to be low $200k for a senior depending on how they define senior.

What does super mean in this context? Thanks

In Australia, we have compulsory employer contributions to a retirement account called superannuation. Similar to the American concept of a 401k but mandatory.
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