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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#391
Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.”

Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems.

That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be the ones making that call, and no one else who should was stepping up in spite of being aware of the threat.

Encourage you when these issues arise to think of them in the rule of law context, rather than free speech, in order to have a more robust conversation with frameworks that have an appeal and applicability across nearly every nation and government.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#393

Seems to me it would be better for Cloudflare to keep serving Kiwifarms, and cooperate with government requests for access logs / etc. Then at least our law enforcement would have data to help with finding threat actors.

The forum already deletes anything illegal (in the US) and hands out info to law-enforcement when asked. The operator posted this on their Telegram: "Cloudflare's decision to block the site was done without any discussion. The message I've received is a vague suspension notice. The message from Matthew Prince is unclear. If there is any threat to life on the site, I have received no communication from any law enforce…

That’s good to know. I’m missing how that argues against my point though.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#396

Seems to me it would be better for Cloudflare to keep serving Kiwifarms, and cooperate with government requests for access logs / etc. Then at least our law enforcement would have data to help with finding threat actors.

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#397

There were no good choices for Cloudflare here, and everyone across the internet who jams their fingers in their ears and shouts their position repeatedly is just contributing to the problem. Private companies should not be the de facto moderators of free speech in our society. They are forced into that position by woefully inadequate governance by legal authorities operating multiple decades behind the current lands…

"...pressure their respective governments to figure out what should be done, systematically, about hate speech on the internet."

Should be done by whom? If you mean "done by the government," then in the US at least the answer is clear.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#398
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The people who pushed for this have a list of the next sites they are going to get taken down. In particular any place TERFs have discussions. I give it 2 years and they will be successful.

They really don't. Keffals, who has been spearheading this effort, has effectively been the target of hate from this one site which has stalked her across two continents . As far as I can tell she just wants to be able to live a normal life without worrying that taking a picture or posting a tweet could be used by this organized mob to figure out where she is and fuck with her life. It's worth noting that she's based…

Keffals decided to leave North America after one SWATing of unknown attacker provenance. Josh Moon, owner of Kiwi Farms, has been SWATed numerous times (as have been many larger Twitch streamers) and even had trans activists show up at his house with weapons.

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#399

So we have privatised the legislative and police on the internet? What that means we shall see in ten years or so. Why are crimes committed on KF not stopped “the old fashioned way”, ie rule of law and the court system?

1. What crimes?

2. Has the owner of the site ever allowed illegal content or behaviour on the website?

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

#400

There were no good choices for Cloudflare here, and everyone across the internet who jams their fingers in their ears and shouts their position repeatedly is just contributing to the problem. Private companies should not be the de facto moderators of free speech in our society. They are forced into that position by woefully inadequate governance by legal authorities operating multiple decades behind the current lands…

>what the hell should be done, systematically, about hate speech on the internet.

Nothing. It's words on the internet.

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