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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by dangrossman »

MBCook wrote: post #97
serf wrote: post #41

>The policy we articulated last Wednesday remains our policy. >have our cake and eat it too. I don't get this corporate reverse speak. They literally went against the policies stated on Wednesday and then plainly say "But this violation of that policy doesn't reflect on our policies overall." I get that Kiwifarms is hated, that doesn't make black turn to white and up turn to down. Cloudflare reneged on everything the…

As I remember the policy they posted had exceptions for sites that were dangerous/etc. I think what they did today is completely consistent. What I DON’T get is why they didn’t think the site was dangerous last week. When I read their policy it seems to clearly state they wouldn’t work with a group like kiwifarms, and yet they posted a whole post explaining why they were. I agree it’s a flip-flop, I guess I see it fr…

They listed that exception for their hosting services, while saying there would be no such exception when it comes to security services.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflares-abuse-policies-and-a...

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by zaphar »

Icathian wrote: post #40

There were no good choices for Cloudflare here, and everyone across the internet who jams their fingers in their ears and shouts their position repeatedly is just contributing to the problem. Private companies should not be the de facto moderators of free speech in our society. They are forced into that position by woefully inadequate governance by legal authorities operating multiple decades behind the current lands…

On the one hand, I would have supported Cloudflare in continuing to provide service to Kiwifarms as someone not employed there if that was their conviction.

On the other hand, If I were the CEO, Owner, whatever of Cloudflare I would have cut ties with kiwifarms a long time ago on the grounds the site promotes truly immoral and reprehensible content and I wouldn't want any resources I control going toward helping them do so for my own conscience to be at ease.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by topynate »

donohoe wrote: post #71
Icathian wrote: post #40

There were no good choices for Cloudflare here, and everyone across the internet who jams their fingers in their ears and shouts their position repeatedly is just contributing to the problem. Private companies should not be the de facto moderators of free speech in our society. They are forced into that position by woefully inadequate governance by legal authorities operating multiple decades behind the current lands…

Private companies should not be the de facto moderators of free speech Hate speech and organizing to harass and other IRL hate acts is not ‘free speech’. That was the major point.

It is in America, for the most part. You can absolutely organize to harass people if the harassment is in the form of verbal abuse, for instance. Cloudflare is saying that something happened in the last few days on KF that was a genuine "emergency". I don't think this is just an excuse, actually – Prince seems unusually committed to honesty about this sort of thing. I presume people were organizing specific violent acts on KF, which is not "free speech" even in America.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by MBCook »

chrisan wrote: post #67
Test0129 wrote: post #31

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Didn't downvote but a single company is not going to control this. They will be back with someone else.

They’ve lost numerous hosts already. Very few companies want to be associated with this kind of thing. So as they were discovered they tend to get dropped.

They can keep trying all they want. There are surely people who are willing to work with them.

But no one is REQUIRED to help them.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by astrange »

CircleSpokes wrote: post #15
FullyFunctional wrote: post #7

> We have never been their hosting provider That is simply not how it works. The bits came from Cloudflare.

That is not how it works both technically and legally. Providing a reverse proxy is not the same as hosting the content.

Cloudflare is a hosting service. It has R2, workers, etc.

And a CDN is a hosting service if you push content there and don’t set it to expire.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by oldgradstudent »

donohoe wrote: post #71
Icathian wrote: post #40

There were no good choices for Cloudflare here, and everyone across the internet who jams their fingers in their ears and shouts their position repeatedly is just contributing to the problem. Private companies should not be the de facto moderators of free speech in our society. They are forced into that position by woefully inadequate governance by legal authorities operating multiple decades behind the current lands…

Private companies should not be the de facto moderators of free speech Hate speech and organizing to harass and other IRL hate acts is not ‘free speech’. That was the major point.

If hate speech is not free speech, then they who define what is hate speech, define what you can or cannot say.

If there's defamation, harassment, or incitement to violence, we should deal with that in an open court with juries of our peers, not in some dark board room.

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by spamizbad »

Cyberdog wrote: post #49

They muffed it. They were proving to the world how reliable they could be and repairing the damage from the Stormfront debacle, and again they just showed how prone to caving to pressure they can be. What a joke. I will never use CF for anything I want kept online in the face of angry people.

I'm guessing KF members organizing the swatting a US congresswoman (albeit a controversial one) was probably the straw the broke the camel's back. Hard to lobby congress (Which Cloudflare does) when you protect a forum actively swats its members.
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