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In Jackson, Mississippi, a water crisis of unparalleled scale

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Re: In Jackson, Mississippi, a water crisis of unparalleled scale

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Post by pessimizer »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #99
systemvoltage wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are the people that have been running the city: - (D) Harvey Johnson Jr. [2009-2013] - (D) Chokwe Lumumba [2013-2014] - (D) Charles Tillman [2014] - (D) Tony Yarber [2014-2017] - (D) Chokwe Lumumba [2017-Present] From the article: > “No one is taking responsibility” for the crisis, she said. “You have the governor and the mayor blaming each other. They just keep going back and forth. Both of them knew the water…

And none of them will be held responsible. Why? Just look around this thread where the (D) behind the name and the color of their skin is protection against it. There's a algorithm for assigning responsibility: start at the lowest level connected to the problem and if the people in charge are from your favored party, you climb up one level of government. Repeat this process as many times as needed until you find some…

The bigotry is encoded in the weird belief that you can destroy a city water system in 10 years unless you try your hardest, like in Flint. I can't think of a Democrat I like, but wrecking and abandoning a city to its poor, then blaming the poor for its condition is an old story.

Re: In Jackson, Mississippi, a water crisis of unparalleled scale

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

For those turning this into a race issue, the United States has a large number of black controlled cities who have no problem keeping their water systems running. This isn't about race, it's about the particular leaders in Jackson not making the water system a priority. Every other excuse made here applies to other towns who have no problems keeping their water running and clean. Maybe you should ask yourself why you're so desperate to make this about race instead about less than a dozen leaders in one particular city.

Re: In Jackson, Mississippi, a water crisis of unparalleled scale

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

hosh wrote: post #72
boeingUH60 wrote: post #45

Where I reside..what you’ll call a third-world country (Nigeria), everyone who builds a home digs their personal water borehole and sewage system because our government is too incompetent to maintain city-wide infrastructure. I’ve always thought it would be much better if we can get centralized systems for these things as they do in developed countries, but I’m pretty sure this is the type of thing we would see regul…

Having better local sources of water and treatment may turn out to he a better idea than centralized water treatment. Here in the US, water is pumped (often uphill) and purified to drinking water standards, only for 70% of residential water used for watering green lawns. Those lawns are usually grown in a way where soil microbes are killed off, water retention capability are reduced (so it needs more water), and the…

>Personally for me, signaling wealth by wasting resources is not a characteristic that is admirable for me.

Hmmm, if only we could have some laws and regulations preventing resource waste and focus on saving the environment. Like an agency focused on ... environmental protection.

Re: In Jackson, Mississippi, a water crisis of unparalleled scale

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Post by dr_dshiv »

userbinator wrote: post #106
boeingUH60 wrote: post #45

Where I reside..what you’ll call a third-world country (Nigeria), everyone who builds a home digs their personal water borehole and sewage system because our government is too incompetent to maintain city-wide infrastructure. I’ve always thought it would be much better if we can get centralized systems for these things as they do in developed countries, but I’m pretty sure this is the type of thing we would see regul…

The US has been described as 50 small countries inside a big one. There is, for lack of a better term, a lot of diversity between them.

Like, 50 states?

Re: In Jackson, Mississippi, a water crisis of unparalleled scale

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Post by darawk »

agrajag wrote: post #48
theropost wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as we like to blame government, and politicians - at the end of the day, ll... We are the government. We are the politicians. We are the inept, lazy society who has let it come to this. We are the ones fighting amongst ourselves, unable to converse and work with opposing viewpoints.

You're assuming that the people of Jackson have a voice in their government. The city is majority black, and in Mississippi that's more enough than enough reason for the rest of the state elected representitives to reject any aid to the city.

That sounds true, but the Mississippi state legislature is 29% black. That's not a majority, but it seems difficult to justify the view that the state government isn't helping these people because of racism in light of this fact.

Re: In Jackson, Mississippi, a water crisis of unparalleled scale

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Post by Bud »

afterburner wrote: post #88
boeingUH60 wrote: post #45

Where I reside..what you’ll call a third-world country (Nigeria), everyone who builds a home digs their personal water borehole and sewage system because our government is too incompetent to maintain city-wide infrastructure. I’ve always thought it would be much better if we can get centralized systems for these things as they do in developed countries, but I’m pretty sure this is the type of thing we would see regul…

Majority black town in the poorest state in the union, which is also a Republican state. That's no coincidence. EDIT: as in the town is being intentionally poorly maintained by the rest of the state.

I'd like explanations from each and every person who downvoted this. Nobody apparently had the courage to try to refute the argument, and even a cursory examination of the facts will reveal that this commenter has the facts right.

Mississippi's Republican governor and Republican legislature have repeatedly denied proper funding to Jackson to address this issue in the past. It takes about 45 seconds to look this up.

Re: In Jackson, Mississippi, a water crisis of unparalleled scale

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Post by aaaaaasss »

boeingUH60 wrote: post #45

Where I reside..what you’ll call a third-world country (Nigeria), everyone who builds a home digs their personal water borehole and sewage system because our government is too incompetent to maintain city-wide infrastructure. I’ve always thought it would be much better if we can get centralized systems for these things as they do in developed countries, but I’m pretty sure this is the type of thing we would see regul…

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Re: In Jackson, Mississippi, a water crisis of unparalleled scale

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Post by birken »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #76
nradov wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California does certain things better, but we also manage to burn down half the state every summer. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-wildfires-grow-... Today we're in the middle of a power shortage, to the extent that EV owners are asked not to charge their cars. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/california-electric-vehic... Some small towns have literally run out of water. https://calmatters.org/califor…

> but we also manage to burn down half the state every summer. That's an exaggeration, and the drought has been really bad for the last few years. > Today we're in the middle of a power shortage, to the extent that EV owners are asked not to charge their cars[*]. [*] Between 4 and 9PM.

People are voluntarily asked to reduce power consumption between 4 and 9pm on the hottest days of the year. We're out of power!

California has a lot of problems, but the state government at the moment is actually operating quite effectively at trying to solve them. Including the issues with the electrical grid (for example our one nuclear plant getting emergency funding to stay online to help meet our environment goals while the grid is transitioning).

Re: In Jackson, Mississippi, a water crisis of unparalleled scale

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Post by Bud »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #112

For those turning this into a race issue, the United States has a large number of black controlled cities who have no problem keeping their water systems running. This isn't about race, it's about the particular leaders in Jackson not making the water system a priority. Every other excuse made here applies to other towns who have no problems keeping their water running and clean. Maybe you should ask yourself why you…

"Turning this into" a race issue? It is a race issue.

You're simply making things up about Jackson's leaders and hoping they will stick. Well, they don't stick. Jackson has repeatedly appealed for funding to address this issue and they have been repeatedly denied that funding by the state's Republican leaders.

Maybe you should ask yourself why you're so lazy that you're unwilling to research the issue, and also so willing to post a knee-jerk reaction in public about how this can't possibly be about race.

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