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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by rdtwo »

vagrantJin wrote: post #324
Rant423 wrote: post #210

I choose to ignore user reviews/ratings altogether. On IMDB right now 60% of the ratings (not reviews) are either 1 or 10 [1], and that's completely ridicolous. I much prefer the critics' scores - and right now they're 84% on RT [2] and 71 on Metacritics [3]. Which are reasonable numbers. [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7631058/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt [2] https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_..…

Critics are the experts. A fanatic, while crazy, has skin in the game. Their time and money. I'll take a fanatics POV over an experts everyday of the week and Sundays too.

Kind of like video game reviewers are experts lol. The problem with the do called experts is that often they have a strong financial incentive to give high marks to expensive ips. So if Amazon spent 500m for the show buying some critics for 5m total seems trivial

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by [deleted] »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #460
ubercore wrote: post #272

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I want the best actor for a role, not one with the right skin color. You can hedge around the skincolor issue all you want, but that's the basis for your complaint.

So a future movie about the Ukraine war is perfectly fine if Zelenski is portrayed by a very talented black woman and Putin by a Japanese drag queen?

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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by rdtwo »

sprkwd wrote: post #184
nvr219 wrote: post #118

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I don't know what "woke" means here but if you mean like, "caring about social justice issues", then the corporate masters are definitely not that. lol

I always mentally replace the word ‘woke’ with the word ‘caring’ and that shows me a great measure of people.

Fake caring, would be better

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by DeathMetal3000 »

dudul wrote: post #575
satyrnein wrote: post #496

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Is this theoretical, or are you saying this actually happened? I haven't seen this latest show, but for example I had no problems with nonwhite characters in The Witcher. What is a European fantasy show anyway, it's not like they take place in literal Europe? Somehow nobody complains about loss of immersion when characters are changed to white, which happens 100x more often.

Can you name 10? I'm actually asking in good faith because I can't recall any "to white" race swapping in the past few years. All the ones I can think of were Ann Boleyn, the little mermaid, the coming beauty and the beast, the recent terrible resident evil, etc.

Jesus?

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by ComplexSystems »

SunlightEdge wrote: post #442

To be maybe controversial... I'm still thinking about it, but I do wonder if diverse casting works in European fantasy stories. The problem I have is that it generally pulls me out of the experience/ makes it less immersive. I welcome diverse castings in modern shows (though we don't need every show to follow a template 'diverse' casting). A common counter argument is, well you can suspend your disbelief and imagine…

Did Game of Thrones bother you in this way?

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by philliphaydon »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #509
swayvil wrote: post #444

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Have you seen Severance? It doesn't suck. Sandman sucks. I liked the comics. Had high hopes for the show. But sucks. Rings of Power. Haven't seen it. Probably sucks. Movies were gaudy but shallow.

I don't say this lightly: Severance is the best tv show I've seen in 10 or 15 (?) years. It's a fresh story, acted super well, laid out with suspense and mystery, eliciting emotions from laughter to existential dread and depression... ... it's the height of what a TV show can be in 2022.

Will check it out. I’m enjoying sandman. Not loving it but am enjoying it enough to continue.

I couldn’t continue wheel of time after 3 episodes.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by notpachet »

vagrantJin wrote: post #539
Rant423 wrote: post #346

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In an ideal world, where everyone votes sincerely (and using an agreed-on scale), sure. But that's not the real world: here people are declaring a whole season of a show either a 10 or 1, after _maybe_ seeing 25% of it. In other words, this data is too noisy and so not trustworthy.

I dont know what the 'ideal world' talk is about, what I do know is that the audience votes with something valuable and real, not something vague and nebulous like expertise. Fans have nothing to gain, not prestige, not fame, not even a fattening bank account. All they ask for is to be entertained. Peter Jackson and hos team may be to blame for leaving such a high bar to clear, but censorship will never be the answer…

> Fans have nothing to gain

They have something else to gain: the validation of their worldview.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

tzs wrote: post #504
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #228

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> It’s quite clear that that is YOUR problem. It’s funny when people like yourself claim “I’m not X” while then clear laying the case. if you don't see a problem in changing someone else's literature and culture (I am Italian and have read Pinocchio since I was a kid) than you probably don't know what respect for different cultures is. I would never think of a movie were Kunta Kinte is Dutch and is portrait by Chris…

> I would never think of a movie were Kunta Kinte is Dutch and is portrait by Chris Hemsworth Kunta Kinte was a slave in a story that heavily dealt with slavery, set in a time and setting where slavery was race-based, for an audience somewhat familiar with the history of that time and setting. If you made him Dutch and portrayed by Chris Hemsworth you'd have to include in your movie all kinds of extra exposition and…

> did not involve characters where their race was either important to

I think the appearances of a character is quite important if the author took the time to describe it, don't you think?

Would a Little women adaptation where the three women are two trans gender people, one Black, one Asian and one South American person that identifies as woman, be a good idea?

We all know what "Little women" is about, we all expect that, not something else completely unrelated to the original IP.

Why isn't Jay Gatsby black in the movies and only black people in the book are also black in the movie?

Want my opinion?

People are making a big fuss about the ethnicity of actors, but I'm more inclined to think that Disney's worried about another failure like Tim Burton's Dumbo (the original Dumbo is considered unacceptable by today's standards and people staid away from the new one) and is playing it safe with a story (Pinocchio) that has no such bad legacy attached. it's so safe that there's even a "project Pinocchio" in my country against racism in schools.

> If you made him Dutch and portrayed by Chris Hemsworth you'd have to include in your movie all kinds of extra exposition and world building to set the background for the story.

That's exactly my point.

A black fairy is not an issue because she is black, but because it's a plot hole that the original story don't have.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by irrational »

onepunchedman wrote: post #505
SunlightEdge wrote: post #442

To be maybe controversial... I'm still thinking about it, but I do wonder if diverse casting works in European fantasy stories. The problem I have is that it generally pulls me out of the experience/ makes it less immersive. I welcome diverse castings in modern shows (though we don't need every show to follow a template 'diverse' casting). A common counter argument is, well you can suspend your disbelief and imagine…

When you say European, except for the fact that Tolkien wrote the story, what part of the show thus far has given you an explicit European feel? Did the Harfoots resemble British subjects, or do the race of men have to be from the European continent because of their skin color? Which city did Lindon look like? If we're already in a fantasy setting, why is there such a focus on relating the setting of the fantasy to o…

Wasn’t the whole point of Lord of the Rings to provide a (made-up) mythology for Great Britain? Middle Earth is ancient Great Britain (or maybe ancient NW Europe) according to Tolkien.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by pvaldes »

tzs wrote: post #504
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s quite clear that that is YOUR problem. It’s funny when people like yourself claim “I’m not X” while then clear laying the case. if you don't see a problem in changing someone else's literature and culture (I am Italian and have read Pinocchio since I was a kid) than you probably don't know what respect for different cultures is. I would never think of a movie were Kunta Kinte is Dutch and is portrait by Chris…

> I would never think of a movie were Kunta Kinte is Dutch and is portrait by Chris Hemsworth Kunta Kinte was a slave in a story that heavily dealt with slavery, set in a time and setting where slavery was race-based, for an audience somewhat familiar with the history of that time and setting. If you made him Dutch and portrayed by Chris Hemsworth you'd have to include in your movie all kinds of extra exposition and…

Not dutch, but Chris Hemsworth could perfectly fit in the role of a --slavic-- people in an history of slavery. The first slaves with that name where white. In this particular case the history is easily translatable to a different location.
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