Indeed, the process of how software is developed by a large team is different from how it is done by a small team, which in turn is also different from the workflow followed by an individual developer. The larger the team, the more indispensable the tools integration becomes (speaking as a user of Microsoft Teams/Azure DevOps).
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#22I find this shift to paid, online code editors and IDEs very dystopian. The last thing I want to do is rely on a proprietary non-free tool that I need internet to access, can not only gather telemetry about my usage, but also all my code…
At some point people have to decide that privacy and freedom are more important than some level of convenience. For me that line is already crossed.
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#23Seems cool, but the demo video is so corporation-y it's comical. When they said "experience synergy and convergence throughout the system" I almost thought it was satire.
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#24I find this shift to paid, online code editors and IDEs very dystopian. The last thing I want to do is rely on a proprietary non-free tool that I need internet to access, can not only gather telemetry about my usage, but also all my code… At some point people have to decide that privacy and freedom are more important than some level of convenience. For me that line is already crossed.
> At some point people have to decide that privacy and freedom are more important than some level of convenience.
Why do I need to decide that? I’m just trying write some fun code. It’s all open source and meant to be looked at anyway.
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#25It is very unfortunate that they killed Upsource and the recommend Space as an alternative. It is like recommending a Swiss pocket knife as a replacement for a screwdriver. A screwdriver that is much easier and comfortable to handle.
Being a long-time customer of Jetbrains they didn't even want to offer a license so we could temporarily extend our Upsource license while searching for an alternative. Even not though we offered to pay for it.
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#26I find this shift to paid, online code editors and IDEs very dystopian. The last thing I want to do is rely on a proprietary non-free tool that I need internet to access, can not only gather telemetry about my usage, but also all my code… At some point people have to decide that privacy and freedom are more important than some level of convenience. For me that line is already crossed.
> At some point people have to decide that privacy and freedom are more important than some level of convenience. Why do I need to decide that? I’m just trying write some fun code. It’s all open source and meant to be looked at anyway.
And that’s exactly how dystopias are created. People give away their privacy feeling like they have nothing to hide, up until the point that they really need it back when it becomes a tool of oppression and espionage, but by then it’s already too late. Corporations love to downplay these risks and make it seem like avoiding their road map to vendor lock in and proprietary, subscription based software is for people wearing tin foil hats.
There are certain areas where using proprietary software is too difficult and improvements are needed. I don’t advocate for a Stallman like approach. All I am saying is there are enough great open source tools out there that you don’t need to pay for a proprietary editor at the very least.
There’s also a bit of hypocrisy at play when you care about making your own projects free and open source, but you don’t want to support the developers building free and open source tools by using their projects.
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Its between $8/month and $99/month, and the highest tier includes all Jetbrains products. That looks... reasonable?
It’s $25 or $125 (includes all product pack, requires min 50 users) per usermonth. The OP said on prem.
Seems like a completely trivial sum of money for a key professional tool?
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#28Looks really cool but I think they are being overly ambitious with how much they are trying to do.
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#29It seems they are deprecating their standalone code review tool Upsource in favor of the code review tool that's integrated into Space.
Upsource is nice because it allows opening a review for a set of commits which aren't necessarily continuous. This way, multiple people can work on the same branch at the same time, and open a review for their respective commits afterwards. You don't need to wait for your coworker to have their review approved and their branch merged before you can start building on their work.
As far as I know, the other popular review tools (e.g. Github pull requests) only support reviews for entire branches.
Does anybody know another review tool which allows commit-based reviews as Upsource and Space do?
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> At some point people have to decide that privacy and freedom are more important than some level of convenience. Why do I need to decide that? I’m just trying write some fun code. It’s all open source and meant to be looked at anyway.
And that’s exactly how dystopias are created. People give away their privacy feeling like they have nothing to hide, up until the point that they really need it back when it becomes a tool of oppression and espionage, but by then it’s already too late. Corporations love to downplay these risks and make it seem like avoiding their road map to vendor lock in and proprietary, subscription based software is for people we…
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