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My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…
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> Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies proving himself to be worthy of honor and love You mean three books, right? The difference here is that Aragorn was written by Tolkien, this show wasn't and has completely betrayed the original material. Race or gender swaps are not a big issue, but they become one if the purpose is…
> You mean three books, right? Point taken. My goal was to contrast the unsuccessful show with another adaptation that was successful imo.
As for the show itself I can't comment since I haven't seen it.
When a woke / inclusive show gets reviewed poorly, what fraction of it gets chalked up to audience bigotry ? There are excellent shows that are woke / inclusive (Arcane) and they are universally liked by much of the same audiences. Then there are medicore shows that are woke / inclusive (Foundation) and they get mixed reviews again from similar audiences. According to this action by IMDB which is owned by Amazon, if…
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Let me offer a different perspective: the complaint is inconsistent and solely focused on race, which makes it appear racist.
I think GP is not arguing his case well, especially not to Americans, who come with a preset cluster of expectations and arcane protocols to signal that we "get it". And, sure, anti-Black racism might be his prime motivation. But, just assuming it's so, when someone questions American appropriation of his own culture's literary traditions is ... it's frankly imperialist. "Americans agree: Italian who questions Americ…
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The tricky part is that even if the source material has no non-white people in it, the real world does and representation matters. If you cast diverse actors, you are less precise, but are making the world a (slightly) better place for underrepresented and disadvantaged people. If you don't, you are more precise and are making the world a (slightly) worse place for underrepresented and disadvantaged people. What of t…
Don't turn literature into politics, is much more important.
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>Another example is the new Disney's Pinocchio, were the Blue Fairy is portrait by a black woman. The problem is not that she is black of course. but that the original story is set in Italy, Tuscany, mid 1800, were no black woman was ever seen It’s quite clear that that is YOUR problem. It’s funny when people like yourself claim “I’m not X” while then clear laying the case. And for the récord, i hope you open up a ge…
Racism certainly plays a big part in the frequency of such complaints, but it nonetheless raises some important questions. Ultimately, nobody really, genuinely holds the opinion that an actor can be of any appearance for any role. There will always be exceptions that will break their immersion, because unlike with theatre there is the expectation that the movie is WYSIWYG. To give an extreme example, would you be com…
Why would you be disturbed in the slightest? Hitler hated blacks, and yes, some WERE actually in concentration camps:
"Although no exact figures exist, it is known that a significant number of black people were detained in concentration camps and forced labour camps during the Nazi reign, and that many were murdered. Nonetheless, there seems to be little interest in Hitler’s black victims. Their plight is not talked about enough. This is partly because unlike Jews, Roma and Sinti, black people were not marked for destruction. But they were denied their human rights, sterilised, persecuted, experimented upon and murdered in camps."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/27/black-...
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> she's a fairy, not a human .. what does her skin have to do with the time period or place in which she appeared? I mean, why can't we have a viking Black Panther and put Wakanda near Iceland? > The real problem is getting upset over the skin color of the actors and actresses playing fairies No one is upset for that, I, as Italian, am upset that some writer thinks that Collodi's story needed to be changed in ways th…
The race and location of Black Panther and Wakanda are integral parts of their story and character. Not the case with the blue fairy. Definitely not the case with elves in a fantasy world.
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I'm seeing the same pattern I saw with Star Trek: Discovery (race and gender) and Captain Marvel (gender) - a critic would say 'I don't like the plot/logic/world/strength of the hero' and be accused of racism/sexism/not liking strong female characters, where this was untrue and just used to dismiss valid criticism. On the other hand, there was a contingent of people who did dislike it based on somewhat sexist or anti…
Apparently it's also used as a marketing strategy. I remember reading news when the 2016 Ghostbusters trailer dropped of Sony deleting negative comments on the video - but only the non-sexist ones that made legitimate criticisms of the humour or other non-controversial stuff. The theory was that they left the sexist, racist comments live so that they could characterize all their criticism as such. Clever plan, if tru…
The craft of lying is the oldest. Somebody should write a book.
My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…
I went over 2 pages of 1star reviews in rottentomatos and not one mentioned the woke stuff. Not sure where this notion that it’s been brigaded by the anti-woke crowd comes from. Most bad reviews mentioned bland characters, mediocre acting, bad dialogue/writing etc.
The more diverse you make your cast, the more immune you are to criticism when your product flops.
If the show was less diverse and flopped they couldn’t play the racism card to wipe reviews and churn up sympathetic media.