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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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I am going to rock the boat a little. I am admittedly not a big Tolkien fan ( I think tried reading one book once and, to me, it was worse experience than Ulysses ). I can easily plead ignorance here. Are there any black guys mentioned in those books? If not, not sticking to script is a valid complaint ( see how annoyed people were with Game of Thrones departure -- it is not a question of race; it is a question of mo…

The tricky part is that even if the source material has no non-white people in it, the real world does and representation matters. If you cast diverse actors, you are less precise, but are making the world a (slightly) better place for underrepresented and disadvantaged people. If you don't, you are more precise and are making the world a (slightly) worse place for underrepresented and disadvantaged people. What of t…

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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Reducing OP’s argument of “alienating fans” to “pandering to fans” is a logically false and intellectually dishonest argument.

It is simply the other side of the same coin. The actual intellectual dishonesty on display is the suggestion that an identifiable “core audience” exists, and can be alienated at all.

I don’t agree at all.

Emotionally invested fans of these stories clearly exist and describing them as the core audience isn’t a dishonest claim. Neither is it dishonest to claim that some of these fans feel alienated by the new versions of these stories.

You can debate both claims, and my views don’t align perfectly with OP’s either but there is no intellectually dishonesty on the the part of the OP in making the claims.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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When websites remove reviews for "review bombing", I have never ever seen them also remove the "reverse review bombing", basically the people that give it an undeserved 10 to "make up" for the review bombing or whatever. And that is clearly happening here https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7631058/ratings

Sometimes IMDB gets 10/10 reviews before the films are even aired anywhere on Earth. It's magical.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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> What difference does it make if they cast another non-Italian actor to play a role? Who said anything about being Italian? I've only quoted the author words (Collodi) The fairy is pale white not because she is a white person, but because she's pure. Pale white skin is not an Italian trait, so I don't understand what Italianness has to do with anything. If anything, the fact that she is pale white makes her obviousl…

> The fairy is pale white not because she is white, but because she's pure. Curious equivocation there.

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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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People were up in arms before a single episode aired, because they saw a fictional species (dwarf) had dark skin. many of those people have now pivoted their arguments against the show to being about pacing, writing (note: I’m in no way implying this is you, I haven’t seen any LotR series opinions on HN) - but the racist stuff has already occurred

Since there were no dark skin in depictions that are chronologicallly later, the two trilogies we already watched, it means that some terrible genocidal racial cleansing happened in between.

It would be interesting if the show actually did that storyline.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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I'm not going to complain about the fact the series is pushing shoehorned agenda and the quality of everything else is sacrificed in its favour, no.

However, I'm going to complain that people quick to accuse any criticism of racism/sexism/anythingism might just end up willing whatever blame they put on people they dislike into existence, to their own detriment.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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>Another example is the new Disney's Pinocchio, were the Blue Fairy is portrait by a black woman. The problem is not that she is black of course. but that the original story is set in Italy, Tuscany, mid 1800, were no black woman was ever seen It’s quite clear that that is YOUR problem. It’s funny when people like yourself claim “I’m not X” while then clear laying the case. And for the récord, i hope you open up a ge…

> It’s quite clear that that is YOUR problem. It’s funny when people like yourself claim “I’m not X” while then clear laying the case. if you don't see a problem in changing someone else's literature and culture (I am Italian and have read Pinocchio since I was a kid) than you probably don't know what respect for different cultures is. I would never think of a movie were Kunta Kinte is Dutch and is portrait by Chris…

>But in the small village in Tuscany of 1800 depicted in Pinocchio there were no black people, I can assure you.

Probably not many English speakers either.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

> Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies proving himself to be worthy of honor and love You mean three books, right? The difference here is that Aragorn was written by Tolkien, this show wasn't and has completely betrayed the original material. Race or gender swaps are not a big issue, but they become one if the purpose is…

I don’t think any fairies were ever seen in Tuscany either

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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I agree. The first two episodes of The Rings of Power are unbearably boring. But let's wait. Anyway, IMDb ratings are getting totally unreliable to me. I wasted hours of my life that won't come back, watching some show called The Terminal List that scored a solid eight. Carnage of Asimov's Foundation is 7.4 and that... thing, The Wheel of Time 7.1. I wonder if there's a way to see evolution of rating, for me Star Tre…

Yeah, the difference to Foundation is baffling to me. I can only assume people developed strong feelings growing up with the LotR movies, but nobody is particularly engaged with Foundation (and tbh it's not an easy or fun book to try and adapt). Personally I think they would have done better to start with Prelude, which not only sets the scene, but has action, ass-kicking female characters etc. Instead they created s…

Prelude was Asimov himself making a prequel, there was another one and some sequels to the original trilogy. Also the books are connected with the robot series.

There are some differences in tone. But there are some coherent ideas. Religion is seen as bad, a tool for control. There are mental powers, but that's not magic, just advanced humans. Science is mostly presented as a good thing, with serious dangers that must be sorted, but there's a general techno-optimism that inspired several generations of readers.

In the books we side with robots' nearly human condition. In tv show there's a question if cloned humans have souls. Religion is powerful and sometimes shown in a positive light. Humans can predict the future, not with science but with magical powers. All the dome thing is not science but a deception. A confident merchant character like Mallow, is now police with a tormented mind and now a personal tragedy.

If you have the money and the inventive to create a big budget show like that, do it from scratch. Don't mutilate others's work just for the name.

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