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Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Palestinians as foreigners ? Ok, then, thanks ! You just recognized Palestine as a country … ( pro-Israel people can’t have it both ways : denying Palestinian statehood or implying it depending on the issue being discussed…)

Palestinians are stateless. This doesn't make them less of foreigners.

Palestinians, people that belong to a nation with national borders that exist today, that have remained in the same place for thousands of years, are stateless individuals? That's strange.

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Rather, not for enough Americans. Netanyahu won the hearts of Republican voters by openly treating Obama with contempt.

Obama existing won the hearts of Republicn voters. Lets not forget the tan suit, quite right it was rolling news for weeks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_tan_suit_controversy

Or the mustard…

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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post #71

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Palestinians are stateless. This doesn't make them less of foreigners.

Palestinians, people that belong to a nation with national borders that exist today, that have remained in the same place for thousands of years, are stateless individuals? That's strange.

They may have nation, but they don't have a state. The basic definition of state is monopoly of violence over a territory and ability to defend it.

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like it or not, more than 60% of all countries in the world recognize the State of Palestine as a full sovereignty state. It is a fact, not something remain to be negotiated.

Citation for that stat?

Like it or not, 30% of the world’s countries identify as Muslim majority and part of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

None of those countries recognize Israel as a state.

Just because a bunch of countries believe (or don’t believe) something doesn’t make it a fact.

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post #71

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Palestinians, people that belong to a nation with national borders that exist today, that have remained in the same place for thousands of years, are stateless individuals? That's strange.

They may have nation, but they don't have a state. The basic definition of state is monopoly of violence over a territory and ability to defend it.

Oh that totally sounds like the civilized definition of a State.

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it is funny how american "ally"ness with israel somehow manages to put a cover on the "western" democracy values and "freedoms".... i am pretty sure the moment israel-usa relations turn sour, usa would wake up to the "inhuman treatment" and "apartheid".... right now its all fair and square and under the approval of American interests so its all fine. even EU hasn't had that "woke" moment with Palestinian yet, most pr…

I mean the answer is pretty clear even for Europe. With ISIS committing acts of terror in Europe, it helps to have a country in the Middle East as an ally.

It's largely due to that alliance that ISIS even cares about Europe. The "alliance" itself is largely one-way - the US and Europe topple the government of any country that looks at Israel funny, and in return they get.. what?

The usual answer is oil, but the cost of the Iraq war is estimated at $1.9 trillion [1]. Even if all of Iraq's oil industry was taken by the US, and its revenue was 100% profit that went entirely to the US, at the current record-high export of $11 billion/month [2], it would take 15 years to break even.

But neither of those assumptions hold - oil industry profit margins vary between 5% and 30% [3,4], and the media seems shockingly disinterested in reporting how oil company ownership or profit flow changed following the war, but let's be generous and say it resulted in half of their total profits being diverted to the US (that weren't already diverted before).

Under these more realistic but still very generous assumptions (using the 30% high-water mark for profit margin), it would take 97 years to break-even. That is also assuming Iraq would remain a stable pawn to US interests for that entire time, and it wouldn't take more military spending to keep them in line.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War

[2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/2/iraq-oil-exports-11-...

[3] https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/012015/what-average...

[4] https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/oil-industry-ranks-60-by-prof...

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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This policy is nothing compared to the reality of the situation on the ground. The treatment of the native Palestinian people is much worse than this and Israeli crimes are consistently covered up by the mainstream media and Internet companies like Google.

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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> In short, if you become engaged, married, or cohabiting, then yes you may not qualify anymore for the visa you entered under (and need a different permit), and have to report that within 30 days. Who gives Israel the rights to issue such visas in the first place? US made tanks and missiles? Why should Palestinians apply Israeli visas to enter and stay in Palestinian land?

Because they lost three wars and three chances of peace. Vae Victis. They could have settled for much more generous conditions in 1948 ot 1967

Guess the israelis are doing their darnest to get them to try a fourth time.

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Recognition from those countries is a fact. Recognition from more countries depends on peace talks. I’m sure you understand this and we don’t need to explain it.

It depends on Israel to show genuine willingness to respect the legitimate rights of those Palestinians and to comply with UN resolutions.

It depends on both sides to show genuine willingness of the rights of the peoples on both sides.

Absolutely, Israel still has more steps to take towards peace (eg, removing settlements).

Historically though, PA leadership has rarely demonstrated any honest desire for compromise or peace. Hamas, currently the government in Gaza, literally calls for the “obliteration” of the State of Israel as part of its charter.

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