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Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by Pearse »

curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

I'm not in the UK but we are having a similar cost of living crisis in Ireland.

I'm happy to pay the price of solidarity with Ukraine.

I work with both Russian and Ukrainian people and none of them want this war.

People are dieing and being forced out of their homes. I know this is happing everywhere but I would like to support these people: 1 because I know people in that country and 2 because like Britain in the second world war they are fighting for some form of a fair democracy.

If that means I have to buy cheaper food and not have heating.. It's a small price to pay compared to what my friends are going through.

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by ThePadawan »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #9
Jochim wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also in the UK. Personally I'm sick of seeing our government cosy up to authoritarian regimes because they have something we happen to want. In the UK we're particularly unlucky in that the people currently in charge don't really care if the poor in our society freeze or starve as they've stated so astutely in the recent leadership contest. The rest of the G7 at least seem prepared to shield their population as much…

>alternatives that don't require us to prop up quasi-dictatorships in order to keep the lights on But how? The entire economy of the city of London is based on being the word's money laundering capital, vacation playground and best buddy for Russian Oligarchs, Saudi Royals, CCP big shots and other wealthy dictators and warlords. It's Thacher's legacy.

> London is based on being the word's money laundering capital, vacation playground and best buddy for Russian Oligarchs, Saudi Royals, CCP big shots and other wealthy dictators and warlords.

Having lived in Zurich for many years, those are fightin' words! /j

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by ShivShankaran »

jibbit wrote: post #13
curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

You’ve guessed incorrectly how much the average citizen cares about standing up to Putin. Most people believe that the consequences of not standing up to him would be far worse

Impressive how much propaganda can achieve. The average citizen also wanted to stand up to Saddam, Gaddafi, xi , Al Assad before they take over the world

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by mupuff1234 »

ShivShankaran wrote: post #15
ruune wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backing down means handing the victory to Russia, which is politically costly in the short term and probably not financially cheaper in the long term. Whether europe wants it or not, they are involved in a war, and you can't just back down in a war without consequences. You could also argue that the current prices are just a teaser of what's coming anyway so more incentive to innovate now instead of later. Very harsh…

Russia is exporting more oil and gas to china and India and in long run will export to Africa as well in addition to building 19 nuclear reactors across the world from Egypt to Argentina. China is reselling Russian lng while India is reselling Russian oil as blend. True intelligence is backing down now but stopping all Russian imports gradually over next 10 years

So you think the west should've just let Russia take over Ukraine?

Even without the sanctions Russia would've still most likely disrupted gas & oil supply as long as the west supplied Ukraine's army.

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

shapefrog wrote: post #12
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>alternatives that don't require us to prop up quasi-dictatorships in order to keep the lights on But how? The entire economy of the city of London is based on being the word's money laundering capital, vacation playground and best buddy for Russian Oligarchs, Saudi Royals, CCP big shots and other wealthy dictators and warlords. It's Thacher's legacy.

> entire economy of the city of London Is pretty much the entire economy of the UK. Yes Thatcher had her part to play, but election after election after referendum, the will of the people is more of the same Great British exceptionalism.

People get what they vote for. What's the problem?

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by Razengan »

curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

> when clearly their populations are the ones suffering?

Their populations, not their leaders.

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by ShivShankaran »

mellavora wrote: post #16
curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

Counter-argument. Why are the G7 not increasing the aid to Ukraine, to more quickly end the war and force Russia to settle?

Exactly.. Why not amp up the war against the super power with most nukes in the world.

I wonder what would happen if the real civilized world started aiding freedom fighters against UK in Iraq, Syria and Libya?

Russia will probably start doing that

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by shapefrog »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #25
shapefrog wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> entire economy of the city of London Is pretty much the entire economy of the UK. Yes Thatcher had her part to play, but election after election after referendum, the will of the people is more of the same Great British exceptionalism.

People get what they vote for. What's the problem?

I am extremely comfortable with people having to suffer the obvious consequences of their choicse, it only bothers me hearing them moan about it.

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by ShivShankaran »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #24
ShivShankaran wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is exporting more oil and gas to china and India and in long run will export to Africa as well in addition to building 19 nuclear reactors across the world from Egypt to Argentina. China is reselling Russian lng while India is reselling Russian oil as blend. True intelligence is backing down now but stopping all Russian imports gradually over next 10 years

So you think the west should've just let Russia take over Ukraine? Even without the sanctions Russia would've still most likely disrupted gas & oil supply as long as the west supplied Ukraine's army.

No post body was provided.

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by KaiserPro »

curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

because if we had not done this, ukraine would have been obliterated, and russia would have been knocking at the EU's door. having war on our doorstep, and being called up because poland is being attacked is not what I want.

The Inflation issues we have are partly because of russia, partly because we have a stupidly designed pricing structure. From my understanding we only import about 20% of our gas.

However global gas price sets the entire uk's electricity price. Gas sometimes accounts for 50% -60% of the UK's electricity generation, but that shouldn't result in a 1000% rise in costs.

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