As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts • Hacker News Board

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by podviaznikov » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 12:48 PM UTC

curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

> The average citizen cares about their energy bill and putting food on the table more than some idealistic notion of standing up to bullies.

this one is based on what? on some sources or own projections?

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by shapefrog » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 12:49 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #9

Jochim wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also in the UK. Personally I'm sick of seeing our government cosy up to authoritarian regimes because they have something we happen to want. In the UK we're particularly unlucky in that the people currently in charge don't really care if the poor in our society freeze or starve as they've stated so astutely in the recent leadership contest. The rest of the G7 at least seem prepared to shield their population as much…

>alternatives that don't require us to prop up quasi-dictatorships in order to keep the lights on But how? The entire economy of the city of London is based on being the word's money laundering capital, vacation playground and best buddy for Russian Oligarchs, Saudi Royals, CCP big shots and other wealthy dictators and warlords. It's Thacher's legacy.

> entire economy of the city of London

Is pretty much the entire economy of the UK.

Yes Thatcher had her part to play, but election after election after referendum, the will of the people is more of the same Great British exceptionalism.

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by jibbit » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 12:53 PM UTC

curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

You’ve guessed incorrectly how much the average citizen cares about standing up to Putin. Most people believe that the consequences of not standing up to him would be far worse

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 12:53 PM UTC

unpopularopp wrote: post #4

curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

>the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. This was my problem with the Syria war too. US: We want war! Europe you will get refugees, good luck.

>US: We want war! Europe you will get refugees, good luck.

Europe could have also have pursued a strong military, independent of US protection, energy independence from Russia and a strong domestic tech sector allowing it to stick it up and sanction US and Russian warmongering.

But as it stands, it has to 'shut up and take it'.

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by ShivShankaran » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 12:53 PM UTC

ruune wrote: post #10

curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

Backing down means handing the victory to Russia, which is politically costly in the short term and probably not financially cheaper in the long term. Whether europe wants it or not, they are involved in a war, and you can't just back down in a war without consequences. You could also argue that the current prices are just a teaser of what's coming anyway so more incentive to innovate now instead of later. Very harsh…

Russia is exporting more oil and gas to china and India and in long run will export to Africa as well in addition to building 19 nuclear reactors across the world from Egypt to Argentina.

China is reselling Russian lng while India is reselling Russian oil as blend.

True intelligence is backing down now but stopping all Russian imports gradually over next 10 years

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by mellavora » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 12:55 PM UTC

curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

Counter-argument.

Why are the G7 not increasing the aid to Ukraine, to more quickly end the war and force Russia to settle?

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by danielrpa » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 12:55 PM UTC

curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

The allies could have backed down in WWII, handing major concessions to the Axis. Would we be better off today?

Backing down to a bully will only encourage and empower it further. The current situation in Europe is status quo in poor countries, so the world isn't ending...

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by sokoloff » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 12:55 PM UTC

Ekaros wrote: post #8

simonh wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

6 out of 10 Britons support sanctions against Russia.

I then genuinely hope that the same 6 out of 10 are happy to pay their increased energy bill.

It probably makes sense to modify that from “happy” to “willing”.

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by ShivShankaran » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 12:56 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #14

unpopularopp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. This was my problem with the Syria war too. US: We want war! Europe you will get refugees, good luck.

>US: We want war! Europe you will get refugees, good luck. Europe could have also have pursued a strong military, independent of US protection, energy independence from Russia and a strong domestic tech sector allowing it to stick it up and sanction US and Russian warmongering. But as it stands, it has to 'shut up and take it'.

Eu is addicted to cheap Russian gas. Replacing with anything other than renewable will drive energy prices higher.

The second largest steel mill in the world closed today in Germany.

Re: As Britain awaits a new prime minister, its cost-of-living crisis mounts

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Post by tomjen3 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 12:56 PM UTC

curiousgal wrote: post #2

Okay this is a genuine question but why are the G7 not backing down when clearly their populations are the ones suffering? It feels strange to me living in the UK that the sanctions have been spearheaded by the US when they are mostly shielded from Russia. Whereas for European countries, it is obvious that they are dependent on Russian gas and yet they are not willing to negotiate. The average citizen cares about the…

Because we fucking hat it with Russia. Yeah we could back down and then maybe they will send us some gas and then what? What will be their demand next time?

Yes we need to deal with this crisis by constructing enough nuclear power plants that we never need power again, and that means overriding all rules about planning permissions.

This means that energy prices will be higher than before this winter, and then lower and green forever after. Technically Europe still needs to import Uranium, but we can get that from anywhere and a single ship or aircraft can transport enough for it never to be an issue.