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Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by colesantiago »

chaxor wrote: post #81
colesantiago wrote: post #17

It's sad that TruthSocial and some right wing instances in the past (like Gab once was) was one of the biggest Mastodon instances, this cements the main Mastodon instance as a very niche social network which the mainstream will never use. I don't think Mastodon can ever recover from this even with the so called 'migration' that happened because of Elon buying Twitter, I don't think that caught on to shift anything, p…

It's a bit odd that mastodon is seen as a far right platform when Twitter is such an enormous company with corporate interests which will ultimately continually add features to alienate users, while the free and open source nature of mastodon is based in a much more liberal and progressive type of origin/framework.

Doesn't change the fact that TruthSocial the right wing social network is one of the biggest Mastodon instances, federated or not.

When I think of Mastodon I think of TruthSocial, the main instances have little to no activity, almost no reason to join any them.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by snickerbockers »

phoe-krk wrote: post #90
snickerbockers wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Sure, but these aren't my words, and you told me to stop complaining about something that I didn't complain about. I can't teach you basic rules of attributing speech, either. In particular, the original submission has a comment which, among other things, said: > The author seems under to be under the wrong impression that Mastodon servers are isolated communities (and therefore compares them to subreddits). This is…

do you have a point you're trying to make?

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by phoe-krk »

snickerbockers wrote: post #102
phoe-krk wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but these aren't my words, and you told me to stop complaining about something that I didn't complain about. I can't teach you basic rules of attributing speech, either. In particular, the original submission has a comment which, among other things, said: > The author seems under to be under the wrong impression that Mastodon servers are isolated communities (and therefore compares them to subreddits). This is…

do you have a point you're trying to make?

Sure, in no particular order:

* Choosing not to federate, just like choosing to federate, is a feature, not a bug;

* You no longer lose your followers during account migration on Mastodon;

* If my instance does not federate with e.g. Gab, it does not mean that my instance is an insular community disconnected from others;

* I'm not complaining about Fediverse instances being insular communities and in fact I don't experience them being that way;

* You're getting multiple posts in a row flagged off HN and there's likely a common reason for that.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by phoe-krk »

vorejdajo wrote: post #91
michaelmrose wrote: post #84

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There is a difference between blocking every other server and blocking a singular server and the different shades between. In particular gab is full of toxic, stupid, offensive, psychos wearing human skin masks so that they can blend in and prey upon actual humans. Most people when consuming content at scale want SOME filter on the content whether they know it or not unless the community is very small and self select…

The block if any should be at the user level per user and not at the admin level. No matter what gab user's beliefs are, it's wrong to dehumanize them. If anything, you're doing the same thing you're accusing them of doing: Dehumanizing humans with different (race)beliefs to commit (genocide) segregation.

Choosing not to associate with a person or a group of people is one of the most basic human rights, not dehumanization. A private Fediverse instance has the full right to invite, or uninvite, any sort of people or content; you're just seeing the effects of that right being exercised, independently, by multiple administrators of multiple instances.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by snickerbockers »

phoe-krk wrote: post #103
snickerbockers wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you have a point you're trying to make?

Sure, in no particular order: * Choosing not to federate, just like choosing to federate, is a feature, not a bug; * You no longer lose your followers during account migration on Mastodon; * If my instance does not federate with e.g. Gab, it does not mean that my instance is an insular community disconnected from others; * I'm not complaining about Fediverse instances being insular communities and in fact I don't exp…

>* Choosing not to federate, just like choosing to federate, is a feature, not a bug;

i never disagreed with that part just the part where you thought that means that instances that don't federate actually do federate.

> * You no longer lose your followers during account migration on Mastodon;

always nice to meet with a fan

>* If my instance does not federate with e.g. Gab, it does not mean that my instance is an insular community disconnected from others;

Of course not, that comes from all the other instances its also not federating with.

>* I'm not complaining about Fediverse instances being insular communities and in fact I don't experience them being that way;

then this is all just a big misunderstanding and your original post was completely irrelevant to the thread

> You're getting multiple posts in a row flagged off HN and there's likely a common reason for that.

Gee whiz not the internet forum moderators! what ever shall i do? please don't take away my upvotes!

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by klooney »

snickerbockers wrote: post #78
gargron wrote: post #39

The author seems under to be under the wrong impression that Mastodon servers are isolated communities (and therefore compares them to subreddits). This is incorrect. Mastodon is a platform where a server of your choosing hosts your account, like an e-mail provider hosting your inbox. From that account, you follow any other account on the network, regardless of which server hosts that account. Everyone you follow app…

Fediverse has the unique problem (or benefit depending on your perspective) of the instance owners being able to cut their users off from other instances, which is unheard of in email. At face value this is done to keep users from being tormented by pedophiles and internet nazis, but my experience is that most of the server admins get a weird power trip out of blocking things, and will overzealously block anything th…

> unheard of in email

Not true- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-cs...

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by rvz »

elsjaako wrote: post #87
rvz wrote: post #30

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It is dead. Even the users who 'moved' to Mastodon came back to Twitter again are still posting on Twitter. Why? Because there is no-one on Mastodon even after the Twitter 'exodus'. We are talking 6 years and even less users using it. That sounds like a total failure on Mastodon's side to be a viable Twitter alternative.

I use it, and sometimes I unfollow people because the timeline gets to be too much to keep track of (so not dead). I have met people off it in real life. I also have a twitter account, that I use to follow a few (6 maybe?) accounts I care about. I scroll through that every week or two. I like those accounts, but twitter feels needy, constantly screaming for more attention. This is the website, not using an ad blocker…

It is indeed dead. We have given it 6 years and little to no-one is on the platform.

> Mastodon is not the same as Twitter, but there are plenty of us that prefer it.

With the constant comparisons and mentions of Mastodon, being an alternative to Twitter even in its early days, it will be judged as so and my strict judgement is that it has failed.

> There have been many small exoduses, and some people stayed with Mastodon.

I'm almost certain that this year's Twitter exodus to Mastodon, that more than 90% of users who registered at the time do not use it regularly and have moved back to Twitter due to little to no interaction there.

That is the fact of the matter after 6 years of operation.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by rvz »

betwixthewires wrote: post #51
rvz wrote: post #22

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> It's not a failure It is a failure. Having 3 million registered users and only 192,000 using it every month in the end after 6 years is more than 90% of all users not using it. With those numbers, there is virtually no-one using the platform which explains why many continued to keep posting on Twitter, more than on Mastodon. So it is still a massive and complete failure in almost every way. [0] http://sp3r4z.fr/mas…

1) it's not a platform, 2) 192000 is the number for mastodon , there's a wider network that mastodon servers are a part of, 3) this is not some company like twitter or gab or whatever with quarterly performance announcements and user on boarding targets, it is software that works, works well and people use it. That's the criteria for "not a failure" in this case. You know whats a failure? The corporate "unite the wor…

> 1) it's not a platform,

It is a platform. The creator of Mastodon seems to think it is.

> 192000 is the number for mastodon, there's a wider network that mastodon servers are a part of,

That is the daily active user count of the entire Mastodon network and instances that have been online for long enough to at least have one user login once a week.

> this is not some company like twitter or gab or whatever with quarterly performance announcements and user on boarding targets,

Yet, out of 3 million registrants and only 192k use it. That is more than 90% of people not using it meaning that there is virtually no one using it on a daily or even weekly basis. That is a failure for something that has been constantly compared to as a 'Twitter alternative' or 'alternative social network' ever since its 1.0 or 2.0 release and each time Mastodon is brought up anywhere else other than Mastodon; like this site for example [0][1], Twitter, Facebook and online news articles.

After 6 years of existence, it really is a total failure and the denial, constant contradictions by it's supporters (it is a platform like it or not) and deflections underscores the low usage with a clear majority of users still running back to Twitter after a few days of using Mastodon.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17788060

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15514987

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by rvz »

pgcj_poster wrote: post #28
rvz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not a failure It is a failure. Having 3 million registered users and only 192,000 using it every month in the end after 6 years is more than 90% of all users not using it. With those numbers, there is virtually no-one using the platform which explains why many continued to keep posting on Twitter, more than on Mastodon. So it is still a massive and complete failure in almost every way. [0] http://sp3r4z.fr/mas…

192,000 is not "virtually no one." There are a about dozen sovereign nations with fewer people.

> 192,000 is not "virtually no one."

Yes it is, when compared to the total number of registered Mastodon users as I have mentioned from the start with "virtually" meaning 'nearly', 'almost', 'more or less', 'close to'. My use of the word could not get any more accurate and clearer.

192,000 of 3,000,000 is around 6.4%, where that is closer to 0 than 94% is, meaning that approximately 2,808,000 users are still not using it regularly after registration and after 6 years of existence, it has struggled with that ever since.

You can try to deny it. But the numbers don't lie.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by rvz »

slater wrote: post #38
rvz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not a failure It is a failure. Having 3 million registered users and only 192,000 using it every month in the end after 6 years is more than 90% of all users not using it. With those numbers, there is virtually no-one using the platform which explains why many continued to keep posting on Twitter, more than on Mastodon. So it is still a massive and complete failure in almost every way. [0] http://sp3r4z.fr/mas…

> It is a failure. It's not a failure.

It is a failure as I have already explained.
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