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Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by vorejdajo »

michaelmrose wrote: post #84
snickerbockers wrote: post #79

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There is a difference between blocking every other server and blocking a singular server and the different shades between. In particular gab is full of toxic, stupid, offensive, psychos wearing human skin masks so that they can blend in and prey upon actual humans. Most people when consuming content at scale want SOME filter on the content whether they know it or not unless the community is very small and self select…

The block if any should be at the user level per user and not at the admin level. No matter what gab user's beliefs are, it's wrong to dehumanize them. If anything, you're doing the same thing you're accusing them of doing: Dehumanizing humans with different (race)beliefs to commit (genocide) segregation.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by nmeofthestate »

ArboriaInstitut wrote: post #58
okonomiyaki3000 wrote: post #32

You don't need to replace Twitter. It doesn't need to exist in the first place. Just stop using it. Replace using Twitter with not using Twitter.

Over years on the platform I've built up a number of lists of people who I think have very interesting things to say on a number of topics. Where, outside of Twitter or a close replacement, could I find something like a thread delving into why Hollywood "antiwar" movies are actually usually a whitewash? https://twitter.com/mmabeuf/status/1324573014407729153 Maybe this isn't the way most people are using Twitter thoug…

>Maybe this isn't the way most people are using Twitter though

No, I think almost everyone on Twitter is there to consume stuff that conforms with their worldview/politics, same as you.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by Le_Dook »

snickerbockers wrote: post #89
ghostDancer wrote: post #86

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And then you take your account to a different server where you feel you fit better or that it doesn't cut the experience you want.

but then you lose your old acvount.

Surprisingly not, you can easily transfer your followers and follows. Even your bookmarked posts can be saved and transferred. You do lose your old posts you've made, but in the grand scheme of things that's not the worst loss

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by smcn »

snickerbockers wrote: post #89
ghostDancer wrote: post #86

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And then you take your account to a different server where you feel you fit better or that it doesn't cut the experience you want.

but then you lose your old acvount.

https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/

You keep most of what you'd expect when you transfer, but you do lose your posts.

However, I agree with you that (over-)moderation is a huge issue facing Mastodon. However, that's true of any online community run by users.

The ideal, in my opinion, it's improving the process for people to self host instances. It's simply too hard for the average person currently and the copy on websites such as masto.host is ambiguous for people who may not be experienced with such concepts. My belief is that Mastodon will thrive when there are more communities of smaller groups.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by snickerbockers »

michaelmrose wrote: post #84
snickerbockers wrote: post #79

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There is a difference between blocking every other server and blocking a singular server and the different shades between. In particular gab is full of toxic, stupid, offensive, psychos wearing human skin masks so that they can blend in and prey upon actual humans. Most people when consuming content at scale want SOME filter on the content whether they know it or not unless the community is very small and self select…

yeah but its not just gab that gets blocked, just about every instance has a long list of blocked instances, and most instance admins will block anything that hosts content they disagree with. im not being hyperbolic when i say that a sizable portion of the fediverse is run by admins who think free speech is analagous to nazism.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by Matumio »

Alekhine wrote: post #20
kixiQu wrote: post #18

> a combination of Twitter’s chronological feed with the community-driven spaces of Reddit Eugen's product vision is fighting the "community-driven spaces" idea as hard as he can, as far as I understand – to the extent that that maps onto instances, and not the [groups that don't yet exist]. > But because each server effectively acts as a separate version of Mastodon, participating in multiple instances is a hassle.…

> This... is what I do How do you do that? When I used Mastodon, I could only see my own instance's local timeline and the federated timeline. Basically, how do I Mastodon?

For initial discovery you can (web-)browse a large instance by hashtag. Results will include posts from other instances.

Then you follow anyone who is posting or boosting interesting stuff. On a large instance you can also subscribe to tags. I don't think you can remote-subscribe to tags (except via RSS). On a small instance tags are less useful as they only show posts the instance already knows about (e.g. from people someone is following).

Once you follow enough people, you'll see them boosting posts from all over the fediverse. Then you have the inverse problem. You'll have to ignore or unfollow, because mastodons seem to be allergic to the concept of algorithmic feeds. (You can guess why.)

> browse the content of those communities, and jump between

Ah, the magic of web links. Click a post date or profile, and Bam! You're on their instance.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by snickerbockers »

smcn wrote: post #95
snickerbockers wrote: post #89

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but then you lose your old acvount.

https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/ You keep most of what you'd expect when you transfer, but you do lose your posts. However, I agree with you that (over-)moderation is a huge issue facing Mastodon. However, that's true of any online community run by users. The ideal, in my opinion, it's improving the process for people to self host instances. It's simply too hard for the average person currently and the copy…

Ive always wanted to try hosting my own pleroma-of-one but i know somebody who tried that and they ultimately gave up because they felt really isolated since the only servers that federated with them were the ones they had followed somebody from.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by msravi »

gargron wrote: post #39

The author seems under to be under the wrong impression that Mastodon servers are isolated communities (and therefore compares them to subreddits). This is incorrect. Mastodon is a platform where a server of your choosing hosts your account, like an e-mail provider hosting your inbox. From that account, you follow any other account on the network, regardless of which server hosts that account. Everyone you follow app…

This is the theory. In practice, this is what happens: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31195851

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by safety1st »

M2Ys4U wrote: post #75
assetlabel wrote: post #50

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This is only true among mastodon servers that connect to each other. As I recall, most servers would not talk to gab's servers. Further, once you pick a server, if you are kicked off, you lose all your followers because they are following you@thatserver which you cannot get onto anymore.

>This is only true among mastodon servers that connect to each other. Most do, the default is open federation. > As I recall, most servers would not talk to gab's servers. It's hardly a surprise that most people don't want to associate with neo-Nazis and others with similar worthless ideologies. The fact that admins can firewall off instances if they're are run by arseholes is a good thing.

The problem with this idea is that if by some unfortunate accident of history, Nazis gain power again, they'll say exactly what you just said except replace the word Nazi with Jew.

I would flip what you just said on its head and say practically the opposite: the virtue of Mastodon is that when the Nazis seize power not all instances will be forced to censor Jews (whereas Twitter will be forced to do it or shut down).

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