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Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by chaxor »

colesantiago wrote: post #17

It's sad that TruthSocial and some right wing instances in the past (like Gab once was) was one of the biggest Mastodon instances, this cements the main Mastodon instance as a very niche social network which the mainstream will never use. I don't think Mastodon can ever recover from this even with the so called 'migration' that happened because of Elon buying Twitter, I don't think that caught on to shift anything, p…

It's a bit odd that mastodon is seen as a far right platform when Twitter is such an enormous company with corporate interests which will ultimately continually add features to alienate users, while the free and open source nature of mastodon is based in a much more liberal and progressive type of origin/framework.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by elsjaako »

imwillofficial wrote: post #42

After mastadon started blocking stuff they didn’t like at the client level, I bailed.

I think you are referring to some of the mobile clients not interacting with gab. This wasn't mastodon itself. It's an open protocol, anyone can write a client.

If you're referring to something else let me know, I'd be interested.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by berkes »

ekianjo wrote: post #64

The author has probably not used Mastodon for more than 5 minutes to write such a ignorant piece about the network. The sign is that he talks about the immature Mastodon mobile app while unofficial clients have been around for years before, and are much more feature-full. If you don't know a topic, don't write about it.

The author is an experienced 'new mastodon user'. And can therefore write about how it is for a new user to join. Much better than you or I (some 6years on the network, write software for the network) could ever do.

Telling journalists what they may, or may not write, is always worrying. But telling they aren't allowed to write about problems they, from experience, see, even more so.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by michaelmrose »

snickerbockers wrote: post #79
phoe-krk wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is only true among mastodon servers that connect to each other. As I recall, most servers would not talk to gab's servers. Being able to choose which other servers your server federates with is a feature, not a bug. > you lose all your followers because they are following you@thatserver which you cannot get onto anymore. Not true as of recent (May 2022 or so) versions of Mastodon.

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There is a difference between blocking every other server and blocking a singular server and the different shades between. In particular gab is full of toxic, stupid, offensive, psychos wearing human skin masks so that they can blend in and prey upon actual humans.

Most people when consuming content at scale want SOME filter on the content whether they know it or not unless the community is very small and self selecting. This is because a singular scumbag can trivially ruin the good time of a thousand users. Large completely unmoderated communities always turn into nightmares at some point.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by phoe-krk »

snickerbockers wrote: post #79
phoe-krk wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is only true among mastodon servers that connect to each other. As I recall, most servers would not talk to gab's servers. Being able to choose which other servers your server federates with is a feature, not a bug. > you lose all your followers because they are following you@thatserver which you cannot get onto anymore. Not true as of recent (May 2022 or so) versions of Mastodon.

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1) My server isn't its own insular community - it federates with many other Fediverse instances and I interact with plenty of other people from these.

2) You claim I complained about the "its own insular community" part; where? Care to quote me doing so?

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by ghostDancer »

snickerbockers wrote: post #78
gargron wrote: post #39

The author seems under to be under the wrong impression that Mastodon servers are isolated communities (and therefore compares them to subreddits). This is incorrect. Mastodon is a platform where a server of your choosing hosts your account, like an e-mail provider hosting your inbox. From that account, you follow any other account on the network, regardless of which server hosts that account. Everyone you follow app…

Fediverse has the unique problem (or benefit depending on your perspective) of the instance owners being able to cut their users off from other instances, which is unheard of in email. At face value this is done to keep users from being tormented by pedophiles and internet nazis, but my experience is that most of the server admins get a weird power trip out of blocking things, and will overzealously block anything th…

And then you take your account to a different server where you feel you fit better or that it doesn't cut the experience you want.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by elsjaako »

rvz wrote: post #30
dumpsterlid wrote: post #5

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My favorite part about Mastodon/The Fediverse is people like you think it is dead and hopeless and don't come there

It is dead. Even the users who 'moved' to Mastodon came back to Twitter again are still posting on Twitter. Why? Because there is no-one on Mastodon even after the Twitter 'exodus'. We are talking 6 years and even less users using it. That sounds like a total failure on Mastodon's side to be a viable Twitter alternative.

I use it, and sometimes I unfollow people because the timeline gets to be too much to keep track of (so not dead). I have met people off it in real life.

I also have a twitter account, that I use to follow a few (6 maybe?) accounts I care about. I scroll through that every week or two. I like those accounts, but twitter feels needy, constantly screaming for more attention. This is the website, not using an ad blocker.

You say Mastodon is dead, so maybe you like a website constantly pushing you to engage more? I can understand how it would make the site feel more lively, especially for new users.

Mastodon is not the same as Twitter, but there are plenty of us that prefer it. If you want 100000 followers it's the wrong platform, I'll give you that.

> Even the users who 'moved' to Mastodon came back to Twitter again are still posting on Twitter. Why? Because there is no-one on Mastodon even after the Twitter 'exodus'.

There have been many small exoduses, and some people stayed with Mastodon.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by snickerbockers »

phoe-krk wrote: post #85
snickerbockers wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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1) My server isn't its own insular community - it federates with many other Fediverse instances and I interact with plenty of other people from these. 2) You claim I complained about the "its own insular community" part; where? Care to quote me doing so?

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Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by snickerbockers »

ghostDancer wrote: post #86
snickerbockers wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fediverse has the unique problem (or benefit depending on your perspective) of the instance owners being able to cut their users off from other instances, which is unheard of in email. At face value this is done to keep users from being tormented by pedophiles and internet nazis, but my experience is that most of the server admins get a weird power trip out of blocking things, and will overzealously block anything th…

And then you take your account to a different server where you feel you fit better or that it doesn't cut the experience you want.

but then you lose your old acvount.

Re: Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter

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Post by phoe-krk »

snickerbockers wrote: post #88
phoe-krk wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) My server isn't its own insular community - it federates with many other Fediverse instances and I interact with plenty of other people from these. 2) You claim I complained about the "its own insular community" part; where? Care to quote me doing so?

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Sure, but these aren't my words, and you told me to stop complaining about something that I didn't complain about. I can't teach you basic rules of attributing speech, either.

In particular, the original submission has a comment which, among other things, said:

> The author seems under to be under the wrong impression that Mastodon servers are isolated communities (and therefore compares them to subreddits). This is incorrect. (...)

And then a person further replied with:

> This is only true among mastodon servers that connect to each other. As I recall, most servers would not talk to gab's servers.

It is as if there existed only two exclusive options: either you federate with Gab, or your server is a lone island. If you share the same sentiment, I think I can understand your wider experience and frustration with the Fediverse.

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