The thing I hate about interviewing is how aberrant it is -- companies ghosting as a common occurrence, the power-dynamics of an interviewer vs. an interviewee, the feeling of being evaluated constantly. It also can be an arms race of "how well can you find out the exact questions they will ask and prepare for it" sometimes because if you don't, many other can and will.
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I am seeing interns joining at 90k+ atm and you can extrapolate but on a <45deg angle from there. I even know a junior (<2yr experience) at 140k, not any kind of superstar but lucky I guess. Are you talking Aussie market? Maybe for entrenched big java teams that are reluctant to restructure their compensation for the whole team. I’d advise anyone to look at newer teams that can accommodate market rates easier.
Yep Australian market. The numbers I’ve talked about above are what I’d classify as ‘normal’, there are of course always exceptions, and I’ve been fortunate enough to exist outside these ranges for most of my career, but ultimately I left the banks a few years ago for better prospects.
Just to be clear, are we talking about AUD$ or USD$? (Asking as an ex-FAANG who is preparing for job hunting in Sydney)
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thats why i keep telling people that software “engineering” or computer “science” are not worth pursuing. unless you use either as a launchpad. these types of jobs are just fancy bricklaying. however there is nuance to everything. some people find 200k a year and living with flatmates in an expensive city rewarding. to each their own. i know i did. until it hit me.
Bricklaying? Google had a great WLB and l5s were clearing 500-700k TC and l6 was bumping up against a mil a year when I left more than 5 years ago. That’s early retirement and you don’t have to make a single sales call or ever manage people.
How many positions like that are available at google? Under a 1,000 and the industry employs millions. Not sure this is a strategy for everyone.
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Can you say any company names? I’m an ex-FAANG eng in Sydney currently considering options.
Day-rate contracting can get you very close if the last minute renewals are something you can deal with. The telcos are currently going through a hiring period and I’ve seen 1250/day plus super offered a few times recently. For perm roles, it’s certainly much harder, and I’ve only seen one IC role offered in market at over $220k at the firms I’ve worked at, but the flip side is I’ve seen a few higher ones offered to…
> The old adage still applies, the jobs you want aren’t advertised and the candidates you’re looking for aren’t on job boards looking.
For someone new-ish to Sydney without much of a network, where should I be looking, if not the usual job boards?
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I’ve just hired a wrong person. I’m extremely worried how I should manage an exit plan with her, I don’t see a good way of minimizing the impact. Some employers are stupid and make bad decisions because they’re too shy to ask for a third round of interview when we assume everyone at that level will know the standard set of JS skills, especially since the market is difficult for employers. While it’s painful to give t…
This is why propbation periods exist. It’s a chance for the employee or employer to back out.
> This is why propbation periods exist. It’s a chance for the employee or employer to back out.
It's not an equal risk though - the employer can easily weather (or not even notice) the ending of that employment, while the employee undergoes a life-changing event.
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#256I’ve been interviewing for 8 months. Getting to many final rounds, 1 lowballed offer, 1 rescinded offer, and it’s playing a mental toll. Today, I got a rejection that went along the lines of “everyone loved you and there was absolutely 0 negative feedback, but we just found a better fit.” I almost broke down, but hid behind a facade of positivity because the long weekend was starting and my kids can’t afford a bummed…
I just went through an interview cycle at a FAANG, and I'm pretty sure only one interviewer out of five was directly involved in the actual position. And I'm somewhat certain that it was the others who were the nos. I actually didn't find out anything about the position until the final interview. Additionally, no one in the panel was a software engineer ... for a software engineering position.
> Additionally, no one in the panel was a software engineer ... for a software engineering position.
None of the FANGs I know ever had non-software engineers interview candidates for SDE positions, specially when software development managers are primarily software engineers themselves and interviews have a considerable software development aspect.
I'm sorry to say but your story doesn't add up.
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#257These styles of multi-round interviews inspired by the FAANG collective started picking up in Australia before the pandemic, but it got to a point where most of my more talented colleagues and I all agreed it just wasn’t worth the time for the salaries being offered. 4 round interviews for a ‘senior’ developer position on $120k? When interviewing my own candidates, I use a 1 hour interview mostly focused on approach…
I’m all for probation periods. I think this is where the industry should go. Before I got hired at my current job, I think I went through around 20 hours of total interviews at several companies. I got to the final round three times for three separate companies, but they always found a reason to say no at the end. At my current company, I’m thriving and people constantly tell me so. It really makes me wonder if those…
Wait, you say waste everyone’s time and advocate for probation period?
Are you serious right now?
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
That sounds unlike faang interviews (the only one person being a swe part). Which one was it and what were the interviews like? The non-team thing is common but they do it to bring “objectivity” to the process and since it’s leetcode or system design questions, it usually doesn’t matter unless you’re applying for a highly specialized role. I can speak for google and Amazon - you might not even apply for a specific te…
The interview revolved almost 100% around their leadership principles, of which humility is not one, so that should pinpoint it. And I said no one was a software engineer. All six were management.
> The interview revolved almost 100% around their leadership principles, of which humility is not one, so that should pinpoint it. And I said no one was a software engineer.
"Leadership principles" sound like Amazon. As far as I know they purposely get all their SDEs involved in hiring, and the bulk of their interviews is based on hard-skills, even when the interviewer's goal is to assess "leadership principles".
Also, one of their explicit interview goals is to have the candidate leave the interview round with a good impression of the company.
Nothing in your story adds up. Either you're embellishing it too hard or you're misusing the FANG keyword.
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#259What do you mean? My daily code editor is notepad via a shared screen. It’s the best!
In this interview you’ll be expected to program your own editor and then complete the assessment in it. Good luck!!!!!
If you attempt to copy or paste anything during the interview process you will be immediately disqualified from this and all future employment opportunities.
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#260Leads you to think they are just trying to see who wants the job the most.