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Nokia’s Burning Platform Memo (2011)

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Re: Nokia’s Burning Platform Memo (2011)

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> Nokia N9 was the best phone I have ever owned. I'll counter with the Nokia N900. > I believe, they should have pushed with Meego. With vendor support their OS could've been a hit. So say we all.

> I'll counter with the Nokia N900. I've never understood this about N900 fans. My experience with the N9 was great, and never left me wishing I could go back to something more like a Sharp Zaurus with modern cell connectivity. What is it that makes the N900 appealing? Is it strictly the physical keyboard? So the N950 would have been the N900 killer? Or was there something else about it?

The N900 was my favorite phone by far. Most of the reason come as a programmer, not all users might value them.

First of all ot was a true Linux phone. Running a derivative of Debian, complete with apt etc. Most of the apps on it, even the app to make a phone call where preexisting open source Linux applications with a nice mobile UI. An UI that was clean and consistent without the need off branding that other platforms suffer from.

I could simply write bash script for it to extend its functionality. For example I remember writing a script that would record and sent recordings of phone calls to my server.

I installed Pidgin the chat client and used it to chat with my friends when MSN was still popular in my county. It truly felt like having a PC in your pocket.

The keyboard was the best keyboard ever made in my opinion. I could actually type blind on it sensing a message without looking at the phone at all. I still own 3 N900's with the hope of every managing the find the enthusiasm to rig in the another phone or a pi.

Re: Nokia’s Burning Platform Memo (2011)

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I covered quite a few Nokia reviews back in the day and Nokia was by far the most arrogant company to deal with.

Every company has it's rules and regulations regarding review devices but with Nokia you had to sign up to three forms just to do your work. Partly with ridiculous rules like a missing charger or cable was up to 50 Euros or so.

And they let you very much know where in the pecking order you were regarding your publication and who would get the devices first and last. This was in Germany.

Everybody at Nokia strived for not just being difficult but outright jerks to deal with... so when Apple came around and the disaster started to unfold it was quite the show to watch...

"ah Nokia would like to invite you to this and that shebang..." ah no thanks I think I'm good.

I'm not the guy who carries a grudge but Nokia really made it personal with their whole behavior.

Apple and Samsung aren't perfect but their marketing people are always nice and super helpful.

Re: Nokia’s Burning Platform Memo (2011)

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The choice to go with Microsoft eventually saved Nokia.

Offloading the Mobile Phone unit to Microsoft for nice $7 billion gave them room to breath. Without this, the losses from mobile phones might have dragged the whole company down and somebody could have acquired them for a small price.

Re: Nokia’s Burning Platform Memo (2011)

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I remember thinking at the time that is was a great metaphor, and then reading on HN that its straight from some business school text on how to motivate change.

"Leading Change" by John Kotter as far as I recall.

A great metaphor, unless it’s used inappropriately, which is like 99% of the time. And Kotter is the excuse for a ton of change-by-imposition too. As someone interested in change, I kinda wish that the 1990’s hadn’t happened. There is a lot that’s good and exciting in the organisation development space, but that metaphor and Kotter’s model are not representative of it.

Re: Nokia’s Burning Platform Memo (2011)

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Nokia N9 was the best phone I have ever owned. To these days their gesture navigation implementation is the best. And they had Swype keyboard preinstalled. Speaking of apps: Here maps, SoundHound, amazing mail client and calendar... Gosh I miss that phone. I used mine for about 3 years, I think, and sold it for more than a half of its original price in literally a couple of hours (which means my price was too low). B…

> Here maps HERE was spun off, and is a great platform today. HERE WeGo is available for Android and iOS, plus web.

Nokia transit / HERE transit was my favorite public transit app back when I used windows phone. It had a unique way [1] of presenting transit options that was far more convenient than the simple list that every other app does. Sadly the current HERE WeGo app also does the simple scrolling list, so I see no reason to use it.

[1] https://mspoweruser.com/nokia-here-transit-now-covers-46-uk-...

Re: Nokia’s Burning Platform Memo (2011)

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Great hw engineers let down by less than stellar software decisions. Nokia owned a significant slice of late stage pre internet telephony infrastructure level equipment, bridged over to the emerging mobile world and .. kinda missed the boat when Apple happend in with iPhone and then Android's emergence killed them. A lot of people loved their handsets. Just not enough in any single market to make up for some bad deci…

> Great hw engineers let down by less than stellar software decisions.

I remember reading a deep dive into how exactly Nokia run it's cellular department, in it's corporate culture... and things there were not great. Everything were behind the red tape and countless meetings, every feature had someone who was appointed as an 'owner' of that feature and if you need to change something what would somehow involve that feature you needed an approval from that owner. And if the guy didn't want to give the approval, because he was afraid to take the responsibility than there was nothing you could with it. Same in the Symbian dept.

People like to shit on Elop, but with or without him the mighty Finnish giant would die anyway. With Elop and MS deal they, at least, tried to do something and saved jobs for a couple of years (though not all). Without MS deal all those people would been on the street in 2013 at best.

Re: Nokia’s Burning Platform Memo (2011)

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I covered quite a few Nokia reviews back in the day and Nokia was by far the most arrogant company to deal with. Every company has it's rules and regulations regarding review devices but with Nokia you had to sign up to three forms just to do your work. Partly with ridiculous rules like a missing charger or cable was up to 50 Euros or so. And they let you very much know where in the pecking order you were regarding y…

Nokia has been one of the companies I had most fun working at, you just met the wrong folks.

Re: Nokia’s Burning Platform Memo (2011)

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>At the lower-end price range, Chinese OEMs are cranking out a device much faster than, as one Nokia employee said only partially in jest, “the time that it takes us to polish a PowerPoint presentation.” They are fast, they are cheap, and they are challenging us.

Never forget that no matter how brilliant you think your company is, there are five of those companies in China, four of which are brand new and working in a playground of mass production at scales you can't comprehend. If the world ever shifts power and relevance to China the whole West will collectively have a burning platform situation. China's not just "cheap", and when people start trusting them for the occasional higher-quality product, and there's a market for it, they'll come for all of us.

Make no mistake, China's industrial prowess will be the major game-changing force in the 2020's.

Re: Nokia’s Burning Platform Memo (2011)

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Nokia N9 was the best phone I have ever owned. To these days their gesture navigation implementation is the best. And they had Swype keyboard preinstalled. Speaking of apps: Here maps, SoundHound, amazing mail client and calendar... Gosh I miss that phone. I used mine for about 3 years, I think, and sold it for more than a half of its original price in literally a couple of hours (which means my price was too low). B…

Symbian was the biggest problem with Nokia phones. The hardware was always amazing. I owned a Communicator 9290, and have yet to have a phone that performed as well on speaker. Bar none. Noise cancelling and volume both. I had an e90, and although it was less amazing on that front, the build quality, and look at feel just was... Great! I'd pay iPhone Pro prices for (basically) an e90 running Android with a decent cam…

The N9 was not Symbian though. What I read was that there was a serious management culture issue at Nokia. Even before Elop Meego efforts were seriously sabotaged by the Symbian camp (the N9 was significantly delayed for example) .

Mind you that memo and the decisions made were either incredibly stupid or part of a strategy by the shareholders to break apart Nokia. I mean apart from the fact that you tell the public that you don't believe in your product while selling it, they also decided to axe the Meego version N9 successor even though it was essentially ready. Many believe that was done to not risk it being a success, which would have revealed the whole strategy change to be wrong.

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