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Re: Show HN: I'm building an open-source Amazon

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Post by shagie »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #127
shagie wrote: post #90

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MongoDB - the application is. MongoDB - the service isn't. You can use an Oracle database (however ugly its licensing is) without having an oracle license on every piece of data you expose. The same is true of Mongo license and the data it exposes as a service. The AGPL in this case is "you use MongoDB - someone wants to know about it, the source for MongoDB is over there." MongoDB AGPL doesn't 'infect' the applicati…

MongoDB no longer uses the AGPL licence.

Looking at https://webassets.mongodb.com/_com_assets/legal/SSPL-compare... and in particular section 13, this is an attempt to squash a cloud service from packaging MongoDB and their own custom backup and UI software without offering the backup and UI software also under the license.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/16/mongodb-switches-up-its-op...

> MongoDB is a bit miffed that some cloud providers — especially in Asia — are taking its open-source code and offering a hosted commercial version of its database to their users without playing by the open-source rules.

> So while the SSPL isn’t all that different from the GNU GPLv3, with all the usual freedoms to use, modify and redistribute the code (and virtually the same language), the SSPL explicitly states that anybody who wants to offer MongoDB as a service — or really any other software that uses this license — needs to either get a commercial license or open source the service to give back the community.

If I was to write blog software that is backed by MongoDB, that blog software doesn't have to be released under the SSPL.

That said, the license and its application to patches on older versions would raise some eyebrows in legal with (likely valid) concerns that an upgrade of a point release may change the license on them as it was done before. In the interest of minimizing risk for the organization, the license and the company that changes its license so easily would be ones that would get extra scrutiny and developers using it would likely be advised to ask permission rather than forgiveness when dealing with it (rather than the other way around) as the risk to the org is greater than accidentally incorporating some GPL code in a service.

Re: Show HN: I'm building an open-source Amazon

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Post by ryanisnan »

rocket_surgeron wrote: post #159
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #114

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18 hours is a pretty stupid selling point IMO. You either need something immediately or you can wait. Rarely do I need anything 18 hours from now. I think many sellers would love to not be locked into Amazon and at least use something like this as an additional alternative. I'm on the other side of the table where I avoid buying from Amazon as much as possible.

18 hours is overnight. Last night "Hmm. Toothpaste almost gone. Let me check the linen closet. Nope. Excuse me while I whip this out. (gasp) Swipe, tap, tap, t-o-o-t-h (autocomplete), scroll, tap, tap, tap. Done." Used the last this morning, new toothpaste delivered at noon. I shop online exclusively because one of my first jobs was in retail and it is my solemn duty to do everything I can to annihilate the brick and…

You have an interesting (and I find pitiable) perspective here. I live in a small town, and brick and mortar stores are how many folks survive here.

I, and many other townfolk go out of our way to expressly shop in town. This helps create an interesting, culturally vibrant downtown, filled with shops and restaurants.

My saturday mornings usually involve me walking the town, poking my head into shops, saying hi to folks I might know along the way, and supporting a local business here or there.

I can't imagine wanting to get rid of all of this, possibly even irreversibly so, for the sake of efficiency.

Who hurt you?

Re: Show HN: I'm building an open-source Amazon

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Post by thiht »

bamboozled wrote: post #169
rocket_surgeron wrote: post #159

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18 hours is overnight. Last night "Hmm. Toothpaste almost gone. Let me check the linen closet. Nope. Excuse me while I whip this out. (gasp) Swipe, tap, tap, t-o-o-t-h (autocomplete), scroll, tap, tap, tap. Done." Used the last this morning, new toothpaste delivered at noon. I shop online exclusively because one of my first jobs was in retail and it is my solemn duty to do everything I can to annihilate the brick and…

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If he’s the one who gets pizzas delivered at the party, then yeah!

Re: Show HN: I'm building an open-source Amazon

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Post by smaudet »

cfiggers wrote: post #201
Thorentis wrote: post #189

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Just goes to show that for all of HN's hyper ad awareness, we still fall for basic click bait in our own territory.

Another way to frame it (from the opposite direction) is a collective failure on "our" part (if there is such a thing as "us") to explore and promote genuinely interesting things just because they lack the sparkle of click bait on the outer surface. Maybe it isn't that we "fall for" click bait, it's that we very loudly ignore stuff that isn't.

Either that we actively (doubtful) ignore non-click-bait, more that we are programmed (in some sense) to only pay attention to click-bait.

It is genuinely difficult to ignore things which sound alarming but usually either nonsense or much less alarming, than it is to actively investigate everything, whether it seems alarming or not.

The later is much more difficult but also a lot more fruitful - it is why Google News was so good, a simple collation of all news instead of only click-bait-y news, and why it is genuinely terrible now (mostly dominated by click-bait-y news again).

And again, an illustration of active versus passive - actively filtering google news feeds was fruitful, passively filtering led to algorithmic optimizations which ultimately favored high click counts and therefore more click-bait-y news...and ultimately at this point to being "click-bait highlights of the day", akin to some nonsense like yahoo or msn news.

Re: Show HN: I'm building an open-source Amazon

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Post by samdcbu »

lelanthran wrote: post #183
egypturnash wrote: post #128

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Constant hassle with payment processors deciding to ban smut once you get too big, though.

> Constant hassle with payment processors deciding to ban smut once you get too big, though. Not doing something because you might get too big is not sound reasoning. When you get too big, that's the time to worry about it.

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Re: Show HN: I'm building an open-source Amazon

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Post by saasxyz »

eastbayjake wrote: post #30

Love open source projects in the eCommerce domain, especially ones that are JavaScript instead of PHP! Two pieces of feedback: - Using a copyleft license like AGPL makes this an automatic non-starter for most businesses, no matter how impressive your tech might be. You'll have a lot more luck with mid-size and enterprise adoption with an MIT license. - You've really built an Order Management System for marketplace us…

> especially ones that are JavaScript instead of PHP why?

Re: Show HN: I'm building an open-source Amazon

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

pessimizer wrote: post #210
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #62

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That is a very pessimistic way of looking at things. While it is true that there are entrenched interests that do what they can to prevent any new entrants from disrupting their dominance, I feel obligated to point out that this has always been the case. Just to point to how bad things in US have been at one point, I would like to point out the oft-discussed robber barons and the origin of antitrust laws. Edit: I for…

I don't understand your objection. The country was run by robber barons and started to move toward some sort of revolution (however you would describe FDR getting four terms), then antitrust laws ended it. Then we stopped enforcing antitrust laws, and got Google, Amazon, Disney, etc.. > That is a very pessimistic way of looking at things. This isn't a real criticism. It's either an accurate way of looking at things o…

Tesla exists. Cars are an existing and crowded market. And yet, despite that, Tesla managed to not only enter, but survive. If that is possible, parent's claim that:

"The only way to get ahead these days is to either 1) flout the laws or 2) have enough capital and political influence to force your way to success, such as with regulatory capture."

is simply not accurate.

Based on example of Tesla, it is not accurate.

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