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Re: GitHub backtracks on deprecating the trending tabs page

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I've never seen the Trending page before, but it looks like another take on the the "Explore" page. I wonder, do people generally go to GitHub just to browse around? But if people find value in it, then who am I to say. By the way, it's deprecating. Depreciation is something else.

I like it for the more niche languages I follow such as rust/go. It's interesting to see where things are happening.

Re: GitHub backtracks on deprecating the trending tabs page

#12
The initial call to deprecate this page was quite obviously driven by usage telemetry (i.e. "engagement" metrics), rather than actually speaking to users about what they like and don't like. I suspect that companies sometimes believe they can automate their way into quality designs, by relying on analytics, rather than empathizing deeply with their customers.

Re: GitHub backtracks on deprecating the trending tabs page

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post #7

The most effective thing the team behind this feature did to drive adoption was to threaten to remove it. More people know about this feature now than ever would have through traditional marketing tactics.

[chuckling] I think yes; it seems they got the attention now.

Re: GitHub backtracks on deprecating the trending tabs page

#15

I am incredibly glad they are keeping it around for now -- for now being the key word here. From the way they worded it, doesn't seem like they were prepared for the feedback they received, in terms of (paraphrased) "the few people who used the page seem to love it". How do they not know such an important metric? Shouldn't they be able to measure the number of recurring users? Shouldn't that metric tell them that ins…

I think it should be obvious that they measure lots of things and that the data says the page isn't used very much. This is a case of the data not telling you the full story. That happens sometimes. Data needs to be interpreted, and sometimes people get it wrong. There's probably a lesson in there somewhere.

However... This is tech, and the way engineering teams in tech work these days means it's probably something as simple as this feature is considered low impact and not "career enhancing", so no one was willing to take on maintaining it or promoting it. The only option was to kill it. When someone saw how passionate users are about it they changed their mind.

Re: GitHub backtracks on deprecating the trending tabs page

#16

The initial call to deprecate this page was quite obviously driven by usage telemetry (i.e. "engagement" metrics), rather than actually speaking to users about what they like and don't like. I suspect that companies sometimes believe they can automate their way into quality designs, by relying on analytics, rather than empathizing deeply with their customers.

I mean, how exactly do you argue with something like "0.5% of users have visited this page in the past 12 months, and 0.3% of users have only visited once"?

I don't know what their telemetry said, but generally it's something like this.

This is empirical enough to say decisively "most people do not care about this feature."

Re: GitHub backtracks on deprecating the trending tabs page

#17

The initial call to deprecate this page was quite obviously driven by usage telemetry (i.e. "engagement" metrics), rather than actually speaking to users about what they like and don't like. I suspect that companies sometimes believe they can automate their way into quality designs, by relying on analytics, rather than empathizing deeply with their customers.

> The initial call to deprecate this page was quite obviously driven by usage telemetry (i.e. "engagement" metrics)

yeah, they said that.

> rather than actually speaking to users about what they like and don't like

how do you suggest they talk to their users to do this? less than 1% of people invited to take a survey actually take the survey. however, when you say you want to remove something, those who use it make the effort to respond; at a far higher rate than would participate in a survey.

by saying they were going to remove the feature, they solicited better feedback than they would have gotten in any other way. if that was not intentional on some level, I would be surprised.

> I suspect that companies sometimes believe they can automate their way into quality designs, by relying on analytics, rather than empathizing deeply with their customers.

I suspect that some people will look for any excuse at all to share their opinion about the horrible new world with its horrible new ways as if only they and no one else knows what they are doing. I am not referring to you specifically, but your comment reminded me of just how often I see this "new ways to do things are always bad" sentiment and it is so wrong in so many ways.

Re: GitHub backtracks on deprecating the trending tabs page

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The initial call to deprecate this page was quite obviously driven by usage telemetry (i.e. "engagement" metrics), rather than actually speaking to users about what they like and don't like. I suspect that companies sometimes believe they can automate their way into quality designs, by relying on analytics, rather than empathizing deeply with their customers.

I mean, how exactly do you argue with something like "0.5% of users have visited this page in the past 12 months, and 0.3% of users have only visited once"? I don't know what their telemetry said, but generally it's something like this. This is empirical enough to say decisively "most people do not care about this feature."

if we follow that logic big red emergency stop buttons should be removed from machinery because of their low usage.

Re: GitHub backtracks on deprecating the trending tabs page

#19
In an age where "no we are still correct and everyone who disagrees is just too myopic to see our grand design" has become the standard response to any backlash against corporate decisions, I have great respect for people who are able to simply say "we heard you, and we are reconsidering".

Re: GitHub backtracks on deprecating the trending tabs page

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, how exactly do you argue with something like "0.5% of users have visited this page in the past 12 months, and 0.3% of users have only visited once"? I don't know what their telemetry said, but generally it's something like this. This is empirical enough to say decisively "most people do not care about this feature."

if we follow that logic big red emergency stop buttons should be removed from machinery because of their low usage.

Sure. But good-sense would, in the case of emergency stop buttons, tell you that despite a lack of thought or usage, they are required for safe operation.

You can't make that conclusion with a webpage for content discovery.

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