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Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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See 'List of longest glaciers on Earth in non-polar regions' https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glaciers

57 is much less than 7,200.

Im lost, what unit of measurement would satisfy your doubts about the presence of a lot of glaciers in Pakistan?

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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If true, the article should be changed. Isn't the stratosphere extremely dry?

Yes, that's why a single eruption can have a noticeable effect. Stratospheric water may also set the upper limit on how many launches to orbit can be done per year, since all the propellant consumed in or above the stratosphere makes water that ends up in the stratosphere.

How would it limit launches?

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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When Gabe Brown switched from conventional agriculture to regenerative agriculture, he increased water infiltration in his soil from 0.5 inches (1.25cm) per hour to 30 inches (75cm) per hour. So imagine if he and all his neighbors had the same beautiful soil -- flooding just couldn't happen. I haven't seen a list of such measurements from permaculture, but I know it can be used to regreen deserts (as shown in Jordan,…

Yeah just imagine if a billion people completely changed their way of life.

I think that's pretty easy if government incentives are in place.

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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US birth rate: 1.70 France birth rate: 1.87 Japan birth rate: 1.36 Pakistan birth rate: 3.45 So Pakistan, unlike many more developed countries, has a birth rate higher than the replacement rate, but significantly lower than it’s 1950 to 2000 highs over 6 - and trending downwards. The population would be expected to drop precipitously, but not soon.

Your logic is not sound. As long as birth rate remains above the replacement rate, population will not drop. Pakistan's birth rate has fallen significantly (but still above the replacement rate), so you will expect population growth to plummet, but not the population number itself

My point is that the current trajectory would soon make the birth rate below the replacement rate.

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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What countries do you think this is true of? Even, say, France is still growing. Let alone the US.

US birth rate: 1.70 France birth rate: 1.87 Japan birth rate: 1.36 Pakistan birth rate: 3.45 So Pakistan, unlike many more developed countries, has a birth rate higher than the replacement rate, but significantly lower than it’s 1950 to 2000 highs over 6 - and trending downwards. The population would be expected to drop precipitously, but not soon.

I think Mexico's fertility rate was around 6 in 1975. And is now 2.10 or something. Basically Pakistan is 20 years behind Mexico demographically. Mexico will probably peak in 30 years.

Not sure about Pakistan because a Pakistan of 500 million doesn't seem sustainable.

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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I can't see how it could help having tons of plastic also floating in the river and expensive gravel filling the river bottom. The best way would still be to work with the monsoon, not against it. But maybe I'm not understanding the solution. Can you explain more the idea?

Permaculture has nothing to do with tons of plastic nor gravel filling the river bottom. Permaculture is: the development of agricultural ecosystems intended to be sustainable and self-sufficient. I presume GP meant that by having more persistent vegetation in the area, that vegitation would do vegetation things and help with flood control.

I see, I was thinking in hydroponics, both terms are often associated.

I'm sceptical when I see agriculture wrapped in hype terms. I think that engineering will play a bigger role here. Forest restauration and dams that would retain soil and water and absorb part of the hit will help.

Just to speculate about possible partial solutions, I think that in plain areas subject to frequent flooding they could erect small hills and build the houses over those to defend homes. As floods will increase in the future, the sooner they start, the better.

They could also to dig a system of storm ponds. So will have many soil to build the hills. Moving soil can be done in the same step. The base of the hills should be heavily reforested to retain the soil in place. As a bonus you increase the forested area and help nature to flourish.

The other solution would be to dig concrete canals for as water highways but that would remove the main reason why people lives there: Very rich soil for agriculture plus water. You don't want all of this water lost in the sea

Storm ponds would play a benefit role to store water for the dry season also.

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Yes, that's why a single eruption can have a noticeable effect. Stratospheric water may also set the upper limit on how many launches to orbit can be done per year, since all the propellant consumed in or above the stratosphere makes water that ends up in the stratosphere.

How would it limit launches?

You would not want to make so many launches that it perturbed the climate, due to water vapor increase in the stratosphere. We are nowhere close to this happening yet at current launch rates, btw.

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Geoengineering is a unique prospect in that it's inexpensive-- Cheap enough that a couple of billionaires could pay for it if they wanted. In terms of interventions, it's a much easier pill to swallow than something in the trillions of dollars. The pushback comes from the risk. While we know that it'll cool the planet, we don't necessarily know how it'll affect weather patterns. If we can figure that out with some le…

I think there are probably several billionaires who independently have the resources the pursue significant stratospheric aerosol injection. I wonder how such an individual would imagine their liability for stochastic effects on agriculture. Those risks make me think it's most likely a government with a nuclear arsenal would pursue this... perhaps India? Mumbai could become a very difficult place to live in a few dec…

That's the whole premise of Robinson's novel Ministry of the future.

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Maybe even relatively simple but massive reforestation efforts could help mitigate climate change effects in the long run.

Forests are not very good carbon sinks except in the short run. They have three problems when used as carbon sinks: 1) They tie up land for one, otherwise, non productive purpose (the wild species living in them do not mind that, must be said) 2) Once fully grown they reach a carbon balance. This can happen surprisingly quickly, a few decades. 2) Forests do not simply sit there like a rock. Eventually they will burn…

At least over here, trees grow for centuries. Big trees survive forest fires as well.

Not a short term carbon sink only.

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