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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by ethbr0 »

LeonTheremin wrote: post #610
ethbr0 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did your airgapped systems get wiped remotely again, after the last time you posted about it 22 days ago? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32394353 > Eric Schmidt, the former Google chairman, told Reuters in a recent interview that high-end processors should have kill-switches. “Knowing where the chips go is probably a very good thing. [...]

Not my air-gapped again, but my phone is indeed interfered with to dissuade me from posting. Thanks for the concern.

I'm going to put this nicely, so please take it in the constructive spirit intended -- serious claims require serious evidence to be believed. And a scattering of news articles or videos are not serious evidence.

I truly believe you're very concerned about all the things you talk about, but if you want to convince people to also believe then there needs to be more from your side.

And no, suggesting that people perform ptychographic x-ray laminography on their chips isn't a practical suggestion.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by igravious »

RobertoG wrote: post #477
hulitu wrote: post #470

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I think they mean by "civilized governments" governments who don't have military officers as ministers. Nothing to do with civilization.

So, you think that the original intention was to say "civilian governments". You are very generous with your interpretations, I admire your optimism in how civilized comments in Internet are.

Nah. Your interpretation is undoubtedly correct. I've been on HN 12 years now and I've become used to the increase in Western chauvinism over the recent years – mostly all of it led by US sentiment. The implication above is that the US is part of the civilized world (colloquially called "The West") and that China (and presumably Russia, and Iran, and Venezuela, and Cuba, et al) are part of the uncivilized world.

See, for instance, on this page where Hume speaks of civilized versus uncivilized forms of government: “This chapter examines Hume's conception of government. It considers three forms of government that Hume distinguishes: barbarous monarchy, civilized monarchy, and free government (with its two subdivisions, limited monarchy and republic).” So civilized is contrasted with barbarous. https://academic.oup.com/book/12307/chapter-abstract/1618482...

You'd think with SMIC demonstrating 7nm production ( as detailed in depth in this video by Asianometry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQGnwKBxAKk ) you'd think that the US had gotten the hint that the tech cat is out of the bag – or the tech genie has escaped the lamp or whatever metaphor you prefer … A comparison of SMIC's 7nm process versus the competition: https://www.techinsights.com/blog/smic-7nm-truly-7nm-technol...

My prediction is that SMIC joins TSMC, Intel, Global Foundries, and Samsung at the top tier of semiconductor manufacturing by 2030, along with an ecosystem of Chinese design and manufacturing companies. In doing so the West's stranglehold on other companies like Huawei will be over. If Russia can survive the punitive Western sanctions until then it'll no longer be hampered by lack of access to high-end Western technology.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by cbozeman »

PeterStuer wrote: post #434
cbozeman wrote: post #396

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Things are going to get worse in China, not better. In 60 years, they'll have half their current population (One Child Policy). Not only that, but Western companies have seen the writing on the wall. Production is moving out of China to Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.. Semiconductor facilities are being built in America. We're not going to be able to avoid a war with China, because Pooh Bear has to have a scapegoat and…

Funny thing is you could write a very simillar post with the protagonists reversed.

You could do that... if you had no knowledge of geopolitics and demographics.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by cycrutchfield »

eunos wrote: post #624
cycrutchfield wrote: post #617

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Got any references from the past 70 years?

Sino-{Soviet|Indian|Vietnam} conflict

Doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in their military prowess.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by mattwilsonn888 »

astrange wrote: post #243
mattwilsonn888 wrote: post #187

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What are you talking about? You don't need to profit to insider trade. Losing 5% is a lot different than losing 50%.

What's the point if you underperform the benchmark? This is just another form of reporting an executive "suddenly sold a bunch of stock" (when they filed a 10b5-1 plan about it months ago).

Cheaters can be incompetent. I find the timing of trades of stocks closely related to what congress was voting more compelling than the under performance. Maybe you are right, but either way, the incentive should not exist at all - lawmakers having access to the markets while in office should be a blight of shame on a nation.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by samstave »

nsteel wrote: post #550
samstave wrote: post #75

Serious Question: What about the Apple M[x] series things? The M2 integrates an Apple designed ten-core (or eight-core) graphics processing unit (GPU). Each GPU core is split into 32 execution units, which each contain eight arithmetic logic units (ALUs). In total, the M2 GPU contains up to 320 execution units or 2,560 ALUs, which have a maximum floating point (FP32) performance of 3.6 TFLOPs.

They banned a 156 TFLOP chip, Apple's relatively pathetic 3.6 TFLOP GPU is safe. I didn't mean this to snarky, sorry!

Begs the question:

At what power-compute capability is worthy of banning? Especially when we saw billions of cores deployed in mining ops...

Maybe there is a GLOBAL-HEAP (or whatever the original CRAY 'heap' sense was called) capability for billions of M1s...

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SERIOUS QUESTION:

How much malware is mandated as being installed on any chinese product (irrespective that it may be ostensibly an 'Apple' product?)

How do we know that every iphone doesnt have super secret ccp shit?

I mean we fn arrested the HUWAI CFO for same...??

I dont trust shit.

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Post by another_story »

trasz wrote: post #625
another_story wrote: post #623

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How can you say they are the same when we have so little information on the prisons in China?

I’m assuming the claims from anti-Chinese propaganda - Zenz et al - are true. It’s still not worse from what’s happening in US.

Again, wholly subjective. I'd say it's much worse. It's also hard to take anyone seriously who has 50 Cent Army in their profile when it comes to issues on China.

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Post by spywaregorilla »

dirtyid wrote: post #609
spywaregorilla wrote: post #555

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I find that opinion to be hilariously out of touch but ok.

TFW literal historic events are opinions and funny meme from wikipedia is in touch.

Nah, it's opinions all the way down. I think yours are out of touch. That's all that can be really said.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by LeonTheremin »

ethbr0 wrote: post #631
LeonTheremin wrote: post #610

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Not my air-gapped again, but my phone is indeed interfered with to dissuade me from posting. Thanks for the concern.

I'm going to put this nicely, so please take it in the constructive spirit intended -- serious claims require serious evidence to be believed. And a scattering of news articles or videos are not serious evidence. I truly believe you're very concerned about all the things you talk about, but if you want to convince people to also believe then there needs to be more from your side. And no, suggesting that people perfor…

Fine with me. Evidence is better when people collect it themselves. If someone isn't willing to have their own air-gapped system, ask how they could bring about the same results that I found and carry experiments accepting the risks, they aren't properly looking for scientific knowledge and I am fine with them ignoring my claims.

People with willingness and means can find me anyways.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by protoc »

another_story wrote: post #453
InCityDreams wrote: post #449

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>it's many civilized governments... China not civilized? And before human rights becomes the main talking point: Guantanamo.

It's a gradient. How you throw things down on that is up to you. Guantanamo vs. reeducation and labor camps. Paying judges to help keep the local juvenile prison full vs. harvesting organs from prisoners. Suppression of free speech and the media vs. whatever we see on Twitter daily. Civilized or not is up to your perspective.

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