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If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by pkrotich »

anchochilis wrote: post #92
pkrotich wrote: post #46

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I feel your pain! I had an initial phone interview with Yahoo in mid 2000 or so and my anxiety got the best of me on "hello". I went blank! Forgot how to talk - so I hanged up and DECIDED that very minute that I would start my own company and never interview again!

So did you end up founding your own company? Was that your last interview ever? Don't leave us hanging!

Yes, never took another full time job again. I interviewed for contract work thereafter but nothing like formal interview.

I launched a popular open source software that turned into a company.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by pkrotich »

peteradio wrote: post #124
anchochilis wrote: post #92

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So did you end up founding your own company? Was that your last interview ever? Don't leave us hanging!

Your question frightened them, they've deleted their account.

Huh… this is obviously fake news!

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Post by majormajor »

sys_64738 wrote: post #154
throwawaysleep wrote: post #110

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This is why I just interview endlessly. At least one a week. You need to develop a callus to interviewing. Find the time for it by rubber stamping a few code reviews. It gets boring after a while. Just a very repetitive process after 100 or so.

Once you interview and turn them down then will they interview you again? Doesn't that close a lot of doors?

> Once you interview and turn them down then will they interview you again? Doesn't that close a lot of doors?

Currently, at least, big tech cos will keep that door open. Think of it this way - a company spending $$$ on recruiters cold-emailing a bunch of candidates, the majority of whom fail the process, isn't gonna throw away leads of people who they know have passed the process at least once.

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Post by PebblesHD »

HomeDeLaPot wrote: post #134
PebblesHD wrote: post #90

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I can absolutely see this position, for me it’s more a case of protecting ourselves against the rare but increasing occasions of candidates actually making misleading claims. As I’ve said in a sibling comment, for me I like to be able to take basic skills at face value, and focus on core competencies. If someone can learn the skill during probation, that’s totally fine.

To me it seems simpler to just let someone go if they're not working out after 90 days; no need to tell every new hire that they're "on probation".

In our case, we try and be very upfront about the nature of the process and that it works both ways, i.e. if they find the workplace isn’t for them, then theres no hard feelings either. It’s part of Australian workplace law so whether we mention it or not it is going to apply, so we make sure its not something hidden that might surprise someone.

In our case, we do also explain the types of circumstance in which we might use such a clause, and for us those are very narrow, we don’t hire people just to let them go for nothing 6 months later.

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Post by yieldcrv »

jackblemming wrote: post #63
Retric wrote: post #47

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You’re selling your life, focusing on chasing ever more money is a poor trade IMO. Not saying you have to join a non profit, just consider what you want to work on, who you want to work with, and the kind of hours you want to put in.

It always amuses me seeing programmers chasing as much money as possible when they make a fraction of executives or many other professions. Even if they're at the "elite grand master SRE" level. Still a fraction of some MBA.

we're still talking about 400k-600k/yr total compensation right?

every MBA factory bases its metrics on the average compensation of alumni, and they're pretty pathetic in comparison

anyway, to the person above you, Google isn't top of the pack in initial comp package or upside, within tech

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by targ65 »

cooldrcool3 wrote: post #149
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #122

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Look man - you fucking matter and you will get this. The crap you are going through is not fair, this entire process is not fair, but who the fuck cares - you will get this. Do NOT let this fucking industry joke of an interview process harm you man. Seriously. It really is not you - its them.

Why should we put our mental health on the line for this industry? There must be other jobs that are fulfilling and pay the bills.

whose bills though?

most people find one of the most high paying jobs they can, then adjust their lifestyle to that income, then if they miss the mark ('lowball offer') they have to keep looking.

lifestyle regression is exceptionally hard for humans, especially if your friends/neighbors don't have to go through the same thing (e.g. there's no war raging in your country).

the best thing to do would be to keep your spend way below your means. this maximizes your options and gives you choice. but who does that?

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Post by thundergolfer »

md5wasp wrote: post #145
shoo wrote: post #104

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You can certainly hit AUD 200k (including superannuation) as a senior software engineer at one of the big australian banks. To go much higher you probably have to stop being an IC and start being an engineering manager. Or stop being a permie and start being a contractor. Some US-based well funded companies that hire software engineers in Australia are willing to bid substantially higher for senior engineers (i.e. ~…

Can you say any company names? I’m an ex-FAANG eng in Sydney currently considering options.

Canva, Square, AWS, Atlassian, Palantir, Google.

If you’re senior ex-FAANG you can easily get $250+

$300+ is probably staff level and above.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by ammanley »

treyfitty wrote: post #94

I’ve been interviewing for 8 months. Getting to many final rounds, 1 lowballed offer, 1 rescinded offer, and it’s playing a mental toll. Today, I got a rejection that went along the lines of “everyone loved you and there was absolutely 0 negative feedback, but we just found a better fit.” I almost broke down, but hid behind a facade of positivity because the long weekend was starting and my kids can’t afford a bummed…

Been there buddy (including that exact, form-letter rejection email). I feel for you. I just finished a 9 month interview cycle of funemployment, with a break of two months in-between where I too, was questioning my reason for even being in this industry.

My background is a coding bootcamp + relentless up-skilling and self-directed learning (with the help of some mentors), plus a healthy side of ADHD/spectrum issues, including, best of all, crippling social anxiety.

I cannot tell you in words how astounding it is to go from a full stack dev lead, to being reduced to failing junior-level code interviews because my brain just leaves the chat in the middle of most interactions with new people, let alone interactions involving cognitive effort/hazing.

You matter and the fact we have to spin our wheels on this grindstone does not change that.

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