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“Better than welfare or crime” doesn’t really sell me that it’s a great option
We should compare people's actual options, and not fall victim to the nirvana fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy
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Maybe I didn't succeed at getting it across, but my anecdotes about SAS are not only by proxy. (I.e. my friend's experience and that alone.) I worked there.
So you’re critical of others for working at a place you have worked at? How does that work?
I worked at Samsung Austin Semiconductor for a decade. Samsung treated me extremely well and I really do consider them to be like family. Samsung is not like American semiconductor manufacturers. The organization is a bit more militaristic and that's not a bad thing, I liked the discipline displayed by fellow coworkers. I haven't worked at American semiconductor manufacturers, but know those who have. Their attitude…
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Maybe I didn't succeed at getting it across, but my anecdotes about SAS are not only by proxy. (I.e. my friend's experience and that alone.) I worked there.
So you’re critical of others for working at a place you have worked at? How does that work?
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And why the reference to Geordies - natives of Newcastle - when the plant is in Sunderland? Google maps tells me those two places are only 14.3 miles away. So 1) that's pretty understandable to conflate and 2) a lot of people from Newcastle probably commute there.
> Google maps tells me those two places are only 14.3 miles away. Are you American? That's a long way in terms of cultural differences in the UK.
Why would you assume that?
That's a long way in terms of cultural differences in the UK.
Sure, but it's pretty insignificant to someone not in or familiar with the UK. Which is the vast majority of planet earth.
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> Google maps tells me those two places are only 14.3 miles away. Are you American? That's a long way in terms of cultural differences in the UK.
Are you American? Why would you assume that? That's a long way in terms of cultural differences in the UK. Sure, but it's pretty insignificant to someone not in or familiar with the UK. Which is the vast majority of planet earth.
I didn't assume it - I asked.
> Sure, but it's pretty insignificant to someone not in or familiar with the UK. Which is the vast majority of planet earth.
Yeah... which is why I explained it to you, since it's unfamiliar to so many people.
Did you not want it explained to you?
Many problems working in fab. Current workforce very aged, many staff have let the world pass them by. These staff do no understand the world anymore. Can’t empathize new peoples! Some do not have cell phone, credit card, or home internet/computer. Staff have paid their mortgage long time and cannot understand why us young kid complain about cost of housing. Cheap 1br apartment At lowest starting wage two weeks of work. Bus take some people 2-3/hr each way if live in expensive place near bus. Need car!
Old staff leave without good staff replaced them. Many mistakes. Many people worked too hard. Burnout!
Manager are old guys club and play favorites. Many are sexist racist. Company tries to advertise as progressive but that’s only for looks during onboarding and stock market. Many minority are not given opportunity to advance or get promotion raises while people who look talk like manager do get advance. Many minority in lowest jobs.
Manager tell work positive with COVID. They no care! COVID spread to everyone!
Work long shifts and have no time for family.
Many divorced and unhappy people in dying marriages due to no work life balance take their pain to work spread their misery.
Laissez faire attitude to working dangerous chemical and gases. Missing warning signs and no training. No one worry about strange smell everywhere all time!
Bo wonder no one want work in fab!
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I can't corroborate this at all. I come from a CS background. If you leave school and enter the workforce at SAS, you will be at a disadvantage insofar as you are looking for a workplace that you hope to learn something from or one that you hope reinforces good engineering practices. The semiconductor industry, from the vantage point of an experienced systems thinker, reinforces awful engineering practices. All the t…
I think you’re looking at this from the wrong perspective. If your other option is to be a FAANG software engineer, sure, do that instead. For the vast swathes of the country where the available jobs are some mix of retail/warehouse low wage drudgery, long haul trucking, drug dealing / fraud / other crime, or welfare, working in semiconductors might be a welcome and attractive option.
So for the set of people who can be fab engineers, live in the USA and speak English, yes, the FANG engineer option is always there.
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We should compare people's actual options, and not fall victim to the nirvana fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy
Sure but people able to be process engineers on the caliber of those at TSMC are likely to be able to get good SWE jobs if they really wanted to. We're talking about highly qualified jobs here, un Taiwan a lot of those are gonna have PhDs+.