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Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Post by danaris »

thefz wrote: post #227
orev wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their big mistake was how they communicated (or didn’t) that it was happening. The technical reasoning behind it was sound, and it resulted in actually prolonging the life of the device. As the battery wore down, the phone would still function, just slower for peak CPU demand. Other devices would just die and people would buy new ones, so not throttling had the effect of people buying newer devices more often than ne…

No, no. Not for their communication. They sell you hardware that basically isn't yours.

Can you overclock your Android phone? Force it to run faster at a cost to battery life and overall stability, just by changing a setting in the UI?

Assuming the answer is "no", then Android doesn't actually grant you meaningfully greater freedom in this regard than Apple does: you're just upset about the communication around a particular feature/bug-workaround that requires underclocking the phone temporarily in certain situations.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Post by ethanbond »

jrm4 wrote: post #228
ethanbond wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's not after the fact. Go talk to someone at Apple and they will tell you before the fact how much work goes into the tiny little details. But you're asking users why, and the answer is how could they possibly know? Either everyone is an idiot and you're somehow not hitting a trillion dollar market cap with that knowledge, or the company is doing something very subtle that adds up in ways that are not articulab…

Views like the ones you are expressing are dangerous and bad for the world, and I hope you grow to understand that. The ability that you have to equate affinity/addiction to "good/quality" is downright creepy, and sadly symptomatic of literally the worst bits of all of technology. If you're operating in real life like this, please stop.

Errr what?

"Good product," at least in English, generally means "a product that people successfully and happily use for its intended purpose." It doesn't usually mean "a product that does good in the world." There are plenty of very good products that don't do good things in the world. If you're operating in real life as if these are inseparable features of an object, please stop.

Well, I suppose you can carry on. Again, if it's useful for you to believe everyone else is an idiot and that, now, good product == product that does good, go ahead. I think this is a very low-resolution picture of reality though, and is probably the source of some of your confusion.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Post by toddrossdiy »

fuzzythinker wrote: post #210
toddrossdiy wrote: post #69

I was a big fan and supporter of Android all the way from version 2.2 up to version 8. The final straw was when my brand new 800 dollar motorola phone, which was owned by google at the time stopped getting updates barely a year after I bought it. I also noticed that everything I liked about Android was slowly being stripped away, and Apple was slowly adding all the things I felt were missing. Still not the biggest fa…

Unfortunately, many Android phone has no correlation between MSRP and quality. If your decision is based on that phone, it isn't really sound.

My decision was based on "Google owns Motorola, therefore something considered a flagship phone at the time of buying it should be supported for longer than a year". In my opinion, that's some excellent criteria for buying a phone, just a shame that Google treats everything they do, even owning large companies like a beta test, and shuts things down on a whim whenever they feel like it. Honestly my best android phone was a Xiaomi Note 3, cost less than 300 bucks and performed great up until the day I replaced it. Not sure if they still make phones as well as they used to, but I'd give them another try if I ever went back to Android

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Post by pwpw »

I switched to a Google Pixel 5 a year ago, and it's been my favorite phone I've ever owned since the original iPhone. Notification handling, input detection, call screen, the universal back gesture, USB C, and other small elements have made this phone vastly preferable to any iPhone I have ever owned. Android on Pixel is seriously incredible software that makes my phone just work, which is what I want after tinkering on computers all day.

And yet I'm going back to iOS when the next iPhone launches due to iMessage. I hate it, and I don't want to. But the simple fact of the matter is, I have become somewhat of a social pariah in my circles with people constantly making remarks about how I break their group chats. People refuse to download a platform agnostic messaging app. Women have made judgements toward me, which does not help as a single man.

I genuinely don't think anyone means to behave in such an elitist/condescending way because many of these people are those I know well and who I would consider great people. It's this bizarre tribalistic and subconscious pattern of behavior that the overwhelming majority of people around me in the social circles I engage with all exhibit.

It all seems so dumb when everyone could download an app like Signal and be done with this, and it feels extra annoying that I'm supporting Apple by buying their phone that is expensive, and in my opinion, has worse software despite the fact that they have created this issue entirely. Yet it's not a hill I want to die on. Hopefully Android tablets improve, and I can get one of those to replace the lost functionality by moving back to iOS.

A large thing I'll miss about Android is that I never spent a single dollar on an App despite having all my needs taken care of, largely thanks to F-droid. Not looking forward to reverting to figuring out which iOS apps won't pull the rug out from under me and switch to subscription based models in basic apps like podcast players and calendars. On the bright side, there are many beautifully made apps by indie developers on iOS that are lacking on Android, and I'm happy to pay for if they support single payment models.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Post by fuzzythinker »

toddrossdiy wrote: post #233
fuzzythinker wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, many Android phone has no correlation between MSRP and quality. If your decision is based on that phone, it isn't really sound.

My decision was based on "Google owns Motorola, therefore something considered a flagship phone at the time of buying it should be supported for longer than a year". In my opinion, that's some excellent criteria for buying a phone, just a shame that Google treats everything they do, even owning large companies like a beta test, and shuts things down on a whim whenever they feel like it. Honestly my best android phone…

My moto was a stop gap when I thought I lost my phone and had to replace it. Moto was already known to be a poor brand at the time. The only thing I missed from it was shake to turn on flashlight. For me, getting flagship phones after 1-2 years it's been out has been a great value. They last for 5+ years if you don't drop it.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Post by orangepurple »

SNlMyhFioa wrote: post #105
orangepurple wrote: post #20

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Can't run root shell or QEMU on recent iDevices. I thought this was HACKER news?

check the url

Doesn't change the fact that we are on hacker news and not google news

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Post by r00fus »

thefz wrote: post #227
orev wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their big mistake was how they communicated (or didn’t) that it was happening. The technical reasoning behind it was sound, and it resulted in actually prolonging the life of the device. As the battery wore down, the phone would still function, just slower for peak CPU demand. Other devices would just die and people would buy new ones, so not throttling had the effect of people buying newer devices more often than ne…

No, no. Not for their communication. They sell you hardware that basically isn't yours.

Wait till you hear about baseband software.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Post by r00fus »

xuki wrote: post #203
tluyben2 wrote: post #122

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> quality apps on the Play store After 10+ years of making apps, the discussion with new clients is still the same here (EU/USA) every time: Client: we want an app Me: iOS or Android or both? Client: both Me: Ok, which one first? Client: iOS, I have an iPhone 13 Pro max, make it work on that! ... app designed and built in close co-op with the client Me: What do you think? Client: Great! Publish it! Let me put it on m…

Follow the money: https://i.imgur.com/kVDBZuO.jpg

I wonder why YouTube isn't in the Android list.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Post by r00fus »

hsn915 wrote: post #118
criddell wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched a few months ago and I can't believe the lack of difference. They are very similar. If I want to see the weather, I tap the square with a cloud on it. If I want to start Spotify, I tap that icon. I turn it on and off with a button on the side and turn the volume up and down with the other buttons. The camera takes pictures and I can use the map to navigate in my car. Maybe the Apple camera is better this y…

I don't know if this is supposed to be a serious comment. Everyone I know who uses an Android is frustrated with it all the time. I'm sure the people who make Android also think it's fine. You just tap the button and then an app opens. Who cares if it's janky and freezes half the time? Certainly Android developers don't seem to care.

I think iPhones are relatively homogenous but with Android - it really matters which phone you have (and whether they're running custom apps or closer to stock Android).

So it's unclear when someone says "they feel very similar" without saying what "they" are.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Post by jrm4 »

ethanbond wrote: post #232
jrm4 wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Views like the ones you are expressing are dangerous and bad for the world, and I hope you grow to understand that. The ability that you have to equate affinity/addiction to "good/quality" is downright creepy, and sadly symptomatic of literally the worst bits of all of technology. If you're operating in real life like this, please stop.

Errr what? "Good product," at least in English, generally means "a product that people successfully and happily use for its intended purpose." It doesn't usually mean "a product that does good in the world." There are plenty of very good products that don't do good things in the world. If you're operating in real life as if these are inseparable features of an object, please stop. Well, I suppose you can carry on. Ag…

I'm not here to "be correct about somebody's particular definition of words," I'm here to try to get people to make better decisions and actions in the world.

It is absolutely the case that the definition you are using can serve as a technically correct one. But that's not very important. What is important is that real people are being harmed by exploitative technology, and you handwaving that away as if it should be a dismissable part of the conversation is you doing a bad thing.

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