Why just Germany? Russia invaded the country at more or less the same time. (Stalin dragged his feet for a week.) They even took up more square miles. And after the war, they did horrible things like keep Buchenwald running for their own purposes. A good place to understand this is to read _Bloodlands_ by Timothy Snyder. Send a bill to both of them I say.
Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
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#62Germany might want some change from the land they ceded to Poland.
I wonder how much that land is valued at? Perhaps Poland owes Germany some Marks/Zloties?
And also lost whole lot of land in the process.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point of disinformation is not to out someone but to destroy trust in all information. So you actually can't decide is it a truth or not, is it Russia that is trying to saw discord or is he truly a Russian agent.
> is it Russia that is trying to saw discord or is he truly a Russian agent. Is it Russia or is it Russia?
either russia is running a major disinformation campaign which requires a certain level of skillset OR russia is running an agent within the foreign gov't. that's what's being asked, not "is it russia"?
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Poland is widely hated by its neighbors I'd say, "the current right-wing government is widely hated by most of its citizens." The mine case was just one of the many cases when they showed their glaring incompetence. I mean, they could have solved the problem a long time ago but by their arrogance decided to ignore it, then the case went to court and they had to do it anyway and pay a nice sum of money. Everybody is…
If it was so widely hated how come it got reelected?
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point of disinformation is not to out someone but to destroy trust in all information. So you actually can't decide is it a truth or not, is it Russia that is trying to saw discord or is he truly a Russian agent.
So people still trust any information? Personally I've lost mine ages ago. There is no way to discern truth from propaganda without investing an unsustainable amount of time researching. The internet ceased to be a source of truth when the people with motive realized that the populous get their information from it. It's fine for technical learning and easily proven facts, but any political information or any with sig…
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#66And here I am still waiting on my 40 acres and mule they were supposed to give my great great grandfather.
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#67Germany paid reparations to Israel which had a lot of Polish jews (that can include western Belarus as well).
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Polish government is being pulled in a few interesting directions. For instance, as of 20 Sep, 2021: > Poland must pay a daily penalty of €500,000 ($585,550) for ignoring a previous order from the European Union’s top court to cease operations at the Turow lignite mine, with its CEO slamming the fine as “bizarre”. > On Monday, the EU’s Court of Justice (CJEU) confirmed it was enforcing the financial penalty aga…
Seems like maybe that section of the border was specifically carved out to include the mine maybe?
The border actually follows the Lusatian Neisse, and then the Oder river, except in the vicinity of the port city of Szczecin; this is the border set by the Allies at the Potsdam Conference after the end of World War 2.
The mine on the eastern side of the river became Poland, but it was still supplying a power plant on the west side of the river in East Germany [1]. Later, in 1962, Poland built its own power plant [2].
The Soviets and the Polish wanted to push this border as far west as possible, while the western allies wanted to set it was far northeast as possible to more closely approximate the German-Polish ethnic divide at the time. Various compromise options were proposed, following various rivers, but in the end the western allies agreed to the Soviet proposal. Germans in these territories gained by Poland were expelled. (Meanwhile, the Soviets took the eastern half of previous Poland and made it [3] part of the Soviet Union, specifically the constituent republics of Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania... it was a messy time.)
[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraftwerk_Hirschfelde [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tur%C3%B3w_Power_Station [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kresy
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#69Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#70Remember that time Germany paid reparations after WWI? It experienced hyperinflation to combat it and elected a nationalist leader.
Remember when France paid even more in 1815 and 1871 and didn't went on a genocidal rampage on their neighbors?
The reason for anything big and complicated like a war could probably occupy thousands of pages of discussion. But I'd like to jot down what I see as one major difference here between Germany's experience to close out WWI and France's and most other countries' experience in past wars.
Unlike many large-scale past wars in Europe, the sequence of events in WWI wasn't exactly "Some country's leaders get angry for one stupid reason or another, those countries fight and one side ends up winning, and then both sides come to the negotiating table and come up with a relatively even-handed peace-deal based on the actual events of the war that felt like a fairly won or lost outcome that almost anybody could come to accept".
You had legitimate peace overtures from the Central powers midway through WWI that were blocked because the Allies were behind the scenes agitating to get the Americans involved on their side. And then at the end, because the inclusion of American resources so totally flipped the outcome of the war (what would have likely been a modest Allied victory with reasonable peace negotiations changed into a big win and the Allies having the power to demand whatever they wanted), the Allies could exact revenge and gain incredible wealth + continental power over their biggest economic rivals.
Do your history books go into the German Revolution of 1918–1919? And the real poverty and unseemliness of the Weimar Republic? All of these events and the fallout is arguably tied into this major difference with WWI being flipped by an outsider. And it's easy to see how this difference contributed to some really bad times later on. Hell, I shouldn't even say WWI and WWII, IMO this time period was really one big war with a long intermission.