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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your cue to pay your nanny more?

Not all jobs are worth the same amount. Nannying is quite important but it is low skill (meaning supply of labor is high) and thus will probably command lower wages than semiconductor manufacturing.

She describes her sister’s job as filling a cartridge with wafers, and then sending it into some robotic conveyance. And then just sitting there. Probably about as much skill as navigating a car through rush hour traffic to soccer practice.

Her sister isn’t installing HF lines, or clean room downdraft systems. Functional equivalent of flipping burgers.

My understanding is that for a while Intel was trying to only hire PhDs for running its tools, but found that the especially academic individuals had little interest in the statistical process control of wafer manufacturing. In high volume manufacturing, the core engineers are still chemical engineers with bachelors degrees.

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I think it will come down to money. People work with hot tar in the blazing sun for money, and toil in Amazon warehouses for money. Make it worth people's while and yeah, they'll work in semiconducting manufacturing.

Offering people time and flexibility is also effective. Some could work '4 on 4 off' schedules, for example.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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A substantial perk would be subsidized housing. A modern fab can cost ~$20B (maybe more in the US) and obviously the planning and permit process is likely also a couple order of magnitudes more difficult than normal real estate development. Spending ~$100M on employee housing would make the compensation a lot more competitive since software salaries are high but tend to be located in HCOL areas. Spend another ~$100M…

The last thing I would want is to live on a corporate campus.

Lose my job and evicted at the same time? No thanks, plus I want privacy.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent? Young people know the future is not bright, and I encourage them to enjoy their lives while they still can.

This world view seems like a potential death spiral. As world views become bleak, is encouraging people to say "fuck it" and maximize for enjoyment really the best move? Whatever happened to working hard to build a future for oneself? Yes, I understand there are higher powers that be and people with much more powers than you and I that are ruining the future but is the answer really to lay down and be engulfed in the…

> What came first? Societal collapse or the willingness of its citizens to lay down and take it?

The previous poster's description of the problem isn't by force of nature. It's by other people ("huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent"). Perhaps the CEOs should offer some concessions to the young workers.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This world view seems like a potential death spiral. As world views become bleak, is encouraging people to say "fuck it" and maximize for enjoyment really the best move? Whatever happened to working hard to build a future for oneself? Yes, I understand there are higher powers that be and people with much more powers than you and I that are ruining the future but is the answer really to lay down and be engulfed in the…

> What came first? Societal collapse or the willingness of its citizens to lay down and take it? The previous poster's description of the problem isn't by force of nature. It's by other people ("huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent"). Perhaps the CEOs should offer some concessions to the young workers.

Indeed. Eventually there will be a revolution if the wealth concentration trend continues. I'm on the side of the working class forever and always, as I grew up dirt poor (and got exceptionally lucky because of my early interest in computers) and my family is still dirt poor today, so I have a good idea of what it's _actually_ like to starve.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Just out of high-school, I worked in a fiber-optic component assembly plant - wave-division multiplexers, optical circulators, etc. It was clean room, bunny suit, microscope work for the most part. But it was also moderate-skill, repetitive work - they'd hire large cohorts and provide all the necessary training. If you could keep up with the quotas and QC, you were in and made a decent wage and there was some room for growth. If not, you were let go. Not the type of work I'd take a pay cut for these days, but for young me, it was a foot in the door, paid okay and provided great experience.

Semiconductor plant jobs may not be as lucrative as SW engineering, but they are indeed jobs that pay alright for low to moderate skilled labour. And on-shoring of tech manufacturing seems like a good idea.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent? Young people know the future is not bright, and I encourage them to enjoy their lives while they still can.

As a young (ish) person, I wholeheartedly disagree with and reject this worldview, and would argue you're doing others an enormous disservice by promoting it.

There are enormous challenges. Life literally depends on solving them. Suggesting that they can't be solved is tantamount to telling humanity to give up and die.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent? Young people know the future is not bright, and I encourage them to enjoy their lives while they still can.

Speak for yourself, nihilist. Opportunities abound for those willing to work for them.
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