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Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by KingMachiavelli »

A substantial perk would be subsidized housing. A modern fab can cost ~$20B (maybe more in the US) and obviously the planning and permit process is likely also a couple order of magnitudes more difficult than normal real estate development.

Spending ~$100M on employee housing would make the compensation a lot more competitive since software salaries are high but tend to be located in HCOL areas. Spend another ~$100M on training and education facilities and I think you could attract a lot of Americans right of of high school. Even if it still a bit less competitive than software it could still be the second best career industry.

I think the industry already partly does this but doing it on a larger scale and marketing it as an alternative to college would make it more compelling. I think the industry is still like many other large industries that really want a degree in some engineering despite it not necessarily being very applicable to fab work.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by bmismyname »

chitowneats wrote: post #30
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here I thought it was crushing inflation, unaffordable housing and stagnant wages.

Those are all real issues. That's why I used the term "exacerbate". Those who do the bare minimum to get by in life are only hurting themselves in the long run. This remains true despite a gloomy macroeconomic outlook.

Do you really believe that the people at the top of the pyramid are working hard every day? If you do, then I've got bad news for you.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by erdos4d »

bmismyname wrote: post #6

Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent? Young people know the future is not bright, and I encourage them to enjoy their lives while they still can.

Completely agree. I see others are not liking this comment. I suspect they have an interest in young people continuing to slave themselves for less and less. The cold truth is that young people can cause a hell of a lot of trouble if they do it en mass. I encourage them to not only enjoy their lives but to be ready to buck the system hard when the time comes. This world can't continue this way and the ones pushing for it are not going to stop and cut the youth a fair deal until they feel their backs against the wall and the real fear sets in. They are a thick bunch, you have to get through to them this way.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by bmismyname »

chitowneats wrote: post #32
bmismyname wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the old "it's the poors' fault they're poor because they don't want to work hard for poverty wages".

*they're

Thanks, I'm ashamed I made that typo.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by rich_sasha »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #25
chitowneats wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

And here I thought it was crushing inflation, unaffordable housing and stagnant wages.

You don't pick the weather, but if you go with the wind, you're guaranteed to end up downwind.

I'm not saying it's fair!

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by bobthepanda »

Curzel wrote: post #20
JimmieMcnulty wrote: post #14

Honestly, based on the content of this video and the replies from the prior HN thread, it seems like folks are locked into the belief that the current manufacturing... "experience" (for lack of a better term) for the workers involved will be lifted from Asia and dropped into the US, but that doesn't actually make any sense to me. Sure, that's how the world knows how to make chips now, but given the varying laws betwe…

Agree… only issue might be managers and supervisors coming from manufacturing in Asia, they will have to re-learn how to treat workers, but I am hopeful

I mean, Toyota and Hyundai make cars in the South, so that particular lesson has been learned before

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by the_lonely_road »

chitowneats wrote: post #19
teddyh wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your cue to pay your nanny more?

Not all jobs are worth the same amount. Nannying is quite important but it is low skill (meaning supply of labor is high) and thus will probably command lower wages than semiconductor manufacturing.

I don't think its low skill/high supply that's the problem here. The fact is a nanny is only servicing one family and so their entire economic input must be a fraction of that family's income. Same problem hair stylist faces compared to a software developer. You can only cut so many heads of hair in a single day which limits your total possible income to a fraction of mine because a billion people can buy my software. Its just the way it is and barring some major change in how society is structured, the way it will always be.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

chitowneats wrote: post #30
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here I thought it was crushing inflation, unaffordable housing and stagnant wages.

Those are all real issues. That's why I used the term "exacerbate". Those who do the bare minimum to get by in life are only hurting themselves in the long run. This remains true despite a gloomy macroeconomic outlook.

"I know you're struggling to pick between rent and food, but have considered working harder?"

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by millzlane »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #13
bmismyname wrote: post #6

Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent? Young people know the future is not bright, and I encourage them to enjoy their lives while they still can.

“Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent?” Isn’t that the updated “American Dream”?

I heard on the news this morning it's called the American Experiment.
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