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Refusing to build a data center in Israel, as Koren wanted.
That's the state of Israel, not Israelis. You can refuse to open a factory in China for moral reasons, but still be perfectly friendly with your chinese colleagues
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Theology is the original "woo" stuff, that "protects" us from the so called modern woo stuff like gay marriage.
It’s unlikely that taboos against homosexuality arise from “theology,” given that they exist across societies with starkly different religious traditions. I suspect it has more to do with the importance of biological reproduction in subsistence agriculture societies. My dad grew up in a village in Bangladesh and observed that if you didn’t have kids you died, not even when you’re old and can’t work, but even earlier…
You are welcome to pretend being progressive is believing in "woo stuff" like civil rights, womens suffrage, gay marriage, race blind immigration etc. The fact of the matter is that - you would not be in this country without the "woo stuff" you are ridiculing.
The conservative culture you have adopted doesn't welcome race blind immigration.
Referring to an earlier discussion when you verbally attacked a legal immigrant for documenting his citizenship process
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31348466
>>> As an ethnic Bangladeshi my kids and I have a right of return. I can obtain Bangladeshi citizenship any time I want.
>> Why are you treating America as some kind of science experiment?
> I try not to! My family was invited here by Americans on certain terms, and nobody has ever really complained. But I think they have every right to complain if they wanted.
Just to be clear- your family was not invited here by a majority of Americans. Just a corporation or university on restrictive terms and got approved by the US government, thanks to MLKs efforts.
A majority of Americans would not welcome you here. Half the country- liberals would not welcome you here, because you would block all progressive laws except Loving vs Virginia, and perhaps race blind immigration, though you take strongly offence when legal immigrants open their mouth, as in the referenced thread. So perhaps, you would also roll back the various 1960s civil rights acts. Half of the conservatives would not want you here because of your skin color, or as you call it - "culture".
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To be clear, I’m not asserting that (3) is the case. I’m just saying that as a practical matter it’s a small number and a lot of people that abandon traditional religion fall into your (2).
Believing religious woo doesn't preclude one from believing non-religious woo . If anything, believing religious woo seems correlated with believing non-religious woo : https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/07/27/what-dri...
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Well we can't do much about what the Romans did. Muslim empires conquered Palestine in the 7th century yes, but they didn't widely displace the population. And even in the case of the roman, there was a large diaspora within the roman empire at the time, but not really a whole lot of systematic population replacment. The colonists movement called Zionism (that is historically closely interlinked with other colonialis…
Zionism started way before WWI
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Zionism started way before WWI
I understand that but not until WW1 was it really in-acted at any kind of scale.
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Are you saying the decayed Palestinian leadership justifies their peoples abuse?
the palestinian leadership enables the abuse. they actually like it, since it means they can garner more international support to siphon aid for themselves. they do little to help the people and instead opt to act as proxies for Iran to conduct terrorist attacks against israeli civilians. if the palestinian people want freedom, they need new leadership since what they operate under is clearly not even close to a demo…
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You're being downvoted because you're not making the argument here. "Read my book" or "Watch my film" isn't an effective answer to the question of why you'd think a state where Jews and Arabs and Europeans have equal rights is an apartheid state.
It's a complex topic that challenges people's long-held beliefs. I'm under no illusions that a pithy comment on HN is going to change minds. But I hope that if a few people are open to engaging with a serious, long-form presentation on the issue, maybe some people will come away with new ideas. But you're sharing PragerU videos, so it's painfully clear where you side on this issue and that you are unlikely to serious…
> But you're sharing PragerU videos
If you had an argument you’d respond to the content of the video rather than the source.
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Was rate limited at the time, but edit-replied above - ICYMI: Corbyn also laid a wreath for one of the terrorists, presumably also in the pursuit of peace. Oddly Corbyn also advocated for the IRA and claims that was about peace too, but the people that negotiated Good Friday state he didn’t have anything to do with the NI peace process either. Adding to that: > A contingent from the UK Labour party even visited him t…
>The worst I've seen so far is someone saying Herzog thinks Palestinians fly planes into buildings I guess youve never googled isaac herzog miscegenation. It's a more useful example than most not because its necessarily his worsr remark but because it wasnt an offhand comment he later denied and because theres zero potential ambiguity about it being a racist belief. >not wanting your children to marry outside your ra…
Yes racism is common worldwide. But the UK left let Dianne Abbot and various orthodox Islam-associated ethnicities (who have similar views about their kid’s partners) and anyone else off Scott free. They really don’t like it when Jews want their kids to marry other Jews though. Odd isn’t it?
> There is still a near complete overlap between people who preach antizionism and against racism
You keep saying things like that but at least in the UK it really isn’t. The difference between the ‘anti Zionist but not racist’ person and the racist person is about two pints or how many other far left people they have around them.
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It’s unlikely that taboos against homosexuality arise from “theology,” given that they exist across societies with starkly different religious traditions. I suspect it has more to do with the importance of biological reproduction in subsistence agriculture societies. My dad grew up in a village in Bangladesh and observed that if you didn’t have kids you died, not even when you’re old and can’t work, but even earlier…
You repeatedly pass off very peculiar opinions as "obvious facts" with some quasi anecdata from Bangladesh. I understand the advantage of talking about Bangladesh as there are very few Bangladeshis here to contradict you - but you can use this trick only so many times. However, I will credit you with using the words "I suspect" here. You are welcome to pretend being progressive is believing in "woo stuff" like civil…
Apart from my views on guns and legal originalism, I have quite conventional opinions for a desi raised on the east coast of the US in the 1990s.
> I understand the advantage of talking about Bangladesh as there are very few Bangladeshis here to contradict you - but you can use this trick only so many times.
I’m sure there are lots of Indians and Pakistanis on HN. I don’t think we’re so different that they wouldn’t be able to contradict me. But even progressive desis have aunts and uncles. And I don’t know about yours but mine aren’t exactly sitting around discussing Judith Butler.
> You are welcome to pretend being progressive is believing in "woo stuff" like civil rights, womens suffrage, gay marriage, race blind immigration etc.
By “woo stuff” I was referring to saging houses and healing crystals and Druid weddings. (My wife’s from Oregon.)
But as to the issues you mention, the vast majority of Americans support those things. Progressives are the small subset of those people who support those things for distinct ideological and millenarian reasons.
> The fact of the matter is that - you would not be in this country without the "woo stuff" you are ridiculing.
You can’t gaslight me, lol. I grew up in a 95% white Virginia town that voted for Bush, Dole, and then Bush again. The precinct where I live went for Trump over Clinton 58-34 (the same year we moved there). A good chunk of my wife’s family is rural white Trump voters.
There is a wellspring of acceptance for immigrants in this country that’s far broader and deeper than progressivism. Its rooted not in critical race theory, but Christianity, Constitutionalism, and the immigrant history of people who are already here.
Indeed, if minorities and immigrants were as reliant on progressives to be our champions as progressives think, we would be screwed. There’s not that many of them and they have no guns!
> The conservative culture you have adopted doesn't welcome race blind immigration.
The conservative culture my entire family comes from believes in that way less than anywhere in South Georgia or Iowa that I’ve been.
> Just a corporation or university on restrictive terms and got approved by the US government, thanks to MLKs efforts.
I’ve never met a desi (who wasn’t put on TV by white people, anyway) who thinks MLK has anything to do with immigrants. It’s a completely different issue. Much of my family moved to Australia or Canada, which never had a US style civil rights movement. But those countries are also very welcoming of immigrants.
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Good thing that it doesn't. Palestine became a country with thanks to Israel and Oslo Accords for the first time in history.
Most of the developed world doesn't recognize Palestine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_t...