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Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Time to start building long distance (100+ mile) mesh nets. Alternately, I wonder if there's any way to lay down fiber long distance that doesn't require govt authorization...and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Would starlink help or is that too expensive? Or would governments block import of starlink terminals anyway?

Starlink still uses ground stations which would fall under the local Internet control.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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So, public health officials asked social media companies to stop accounts from spamming that vaccines cause autism? There was no law and no threat, just public and private coordination. I have no problem with that. Sorry, this is not even close to censorship.

If a member of the government asks their friend in a social media company to quietly take down a post, they are using influence and corruption (of the company) to impose government censorship. If they ask the legal representatives of the company to make a policy decision to take down a post, there is the implied threat of regulation, and it is government coersion. Both are legally violations of the first amendment.

I think it's bad public policy for government to coerce social media companies into censoring information, however it's not clear whether that legally amounts to a First Amendment violation. There are no clear legal precedents in that area. It will be interesting to see how the courts rule on the Missouri v. Biden case.

https://ago.mo.gov/home/news/2022/05/05/missouri-louisiana-a...

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Would starlink help or is that too expensive? Or would governments block import of starlink terminals anyway?

Those Starlink dishes are pretty obvious. It would be very easy to photo an area using an Drone/UAV to see who has them. Those who have them will experience some fun time in the local re-education camp.

You're assuming that the government blocking the internet is especially oppressive. It could be that the country is relatively free, but the government sees internet shut downs as easy to implement and thus uses them often. This seems to be the case in India, as discussed above. In that case, a solution that requires the government to visit every individual's home to get them to shut off the internet would actually be quite hard to implement, and would likely be infeasible.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Those Starlink dishes are pretty obvious. It would be very easy to photo an area using an Drone/UAV to see who has them. Those who have them will experience some fun time in the local re-education camp.

Do they need line of sight? I assume the dish would still work with some kind of blanket or plastic shroud over it, provided it was kept in the acceptable temperature range. Or even just being painted to camouflage into the roof it was mounted to. There'd be reasonable aesthetic reasons to do these things, from a deniability standpoint. Though I guess that doesn't help if you're under a regime where accessing an unau…

The countries mentioned in the article pretty much falls into the 'we can do whatever we want with you' category. Russia, Myanmar, Sudan, etc. There is no deniability standpoint.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Which means FB has a working relationship with the FBI doing whatever the FBI says without asking questions. FBI didn't tell them to censor the fake piss dossier on Trump, and that was 100% bullshit. Along comes a Biden run for president, and real, legitimate, truthful damaging information about Biden's entire degenerate family gets suppressed. BIG HMMMMMMM.

You're saying Trump's DOJ and FBI threatened FB with _______ unless they blocked the spread of the Hunter Biden laptop story? FB didn't even ban the story though? Even if FB is suppressing information at the request of the FBI, there are hundreds of other news sources out there that people can use. I don't use Facebook, especially not for news consumption. Here's a more concrete example: Trump's DOJ threatened FB wit…

> You're saying Trump's DOJ and FBI threatened FB with _______ unless they blocked the spread of the Hunter Biden laptop story?

Where on earth did you get that from? FB is in cahoots with the FBI (and ADL), period.

FB has a censorship regime that massively favors one set of politics, which is guided by the FBI, ADL, and probably many other political orgs we don't even hear about.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

#116

Time to start building long distance (100+ mile) mesh nets. Alternately, I wonder if there's any way to lay down fiber long distance that doesn't require govt authorization...and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Would starlink help or is that too expensive? Or would governments block import of starlink terminals anyway?

Unregistered satellite phones and satellite internet terminals are already illegal in India.

No mesh or satellite internet solution will fix a government.

Community mesh networks are hard to run and require real effort even if the local govt is not hostile. With a hostile govt it gets much harder. Unwirerer is a nice fantacy, but unlikely to become reality anywhere.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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post #113

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Those Starlink dishes are pretty obvious. It would be very easy to photo an area using an Drone/UAV to see who has them. Those who have them will experience some fun time in the local re-education camp.

You're assuming that the government blocking the internet is especially oppressive. It could be that the country is relatively free, but the government sees internet shut downs as easy to implement and thus uses them often. This seems to be the case in India, as discussed above. In that case, a solution that requires the government to visit every individual's home to get them to shut off the internet would actually b…

Why would it be hard to implement? Remember that unregistered satellite phone and internet terminals is illegal in India. The Starlink dish is not small nor easily hide-able if you want to access the Internet.

They don't need to visit everyone's home. As I said drone and UAV photos, then you know which home has it. Then re-education for those owners.

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Probably better to use spread spectrum radio. Stations can be mobile and move to minimize tracking and interference. Fiber is fixed and the link can be severed with $20 bolt cutters.

Any practical grass-roots mesh wireless network would have to be built using commodity consumer WiFi hardware. People aren't going to go out and purchase spread spectrum radios, especially not in developing countries where governments are most likely to kill Internet access.

On the other hand, a shortwave radio is dirt cheap to build and can interface with the audio / mic ports on your smartphone / laptop. And the range is on the order of hundreds of miles.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

#120

Time to start building long distance (100+ mile) mesh nets. Alternately, I wonder if there's any way to lay down fiber long distance that doesn't require govt authorization...and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Go back to 70s era radios. Long wave and medium wave antennas. Few kbps bandwidth... unstoppable.

And highly susceptible to jamming.
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