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Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Time to start building long distance (100+ mile) mesh nets. Alternately, I wonder if there's any way to lay down fiber long distance that doesn't require govt authorization...and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Strong communities + mesh is a vision for a bright future. The former has become a difficult hill to climb, though.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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I'm not sure what you mean by implementation of TLS. It's just standard Java TLS libraries, though of course we can be pretty strict about which ciphers are in use - we do control the client to that extent and are typically pretty good about keeping on top of that at least.

If you require client certificates then you don't need to worry about non-insider attacks on anything other than your TLS library and your client cert bootstrap procedure.

I didn't even think of that as a possibility, but it's a good suggestion and something that's within the realm of feasible (though far from trivial) for us. Thank you.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Time to start building long distance (100+ mile) mesh nets. Alternately, I wonder if there's any way to lay down fiber long distance that doesn't require govt authorization...and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Would starlink help or is that too expensive? Or would governments block import of starlink terminals anyway?

It depends on the government, many of the "bans" are not very technologically advanced and easily circumventable with a bit of knowledge (however, doing so is usually quite illegal).

Australia and New Zealand have banned lots of content that can be easily found, at worst you need a VPN.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Time to start building long distance (100+ mile) mesh nets. Alternately, I wonder if there's any way to lay down fiber long distance that doesn't require govt authorization...and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

I’m not associated with the project and don’t follow it super closely, but I think this is the idea behind the briar project (at least for messaging)

https://briarproject.org

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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I run infrastructure for a company that provides medical records services to medical organizations located exclusively in the US and have to deal with the usual scans/exploit attempts that come with running services on the public internet. Somedays I think it's just bonkers that anyone in China or Russia or wherever is allowed to contact my servers. I know that the internet is a "network of networks" to use an older…

If you host your own network, you can work with your network provider to blackhole basically everything except your known clients.

You'd have to record IP ranges and other things, but you could do it.

Or you can ask them to blackhole the rest of the world and add exceptions if necessary.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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The every day user, even on here, supports shutting down internet access for some - why wouldn't the government give them what they want. You cannot simultaneously hold that - for the good of us all - we have to remove people from internet services (see 'paradox of tolerance') and then pretend that the government shutting people out from the internet is bad. Too harsh? No. Check out the article on HN yesterday to see…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32661638 is probably a better comparison than Twitter doing whatever Twitter does.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

#77

Time to start building long distance (100+ mile) mesh nets. Alternately, I wonder if there's any way to lay down fiber long distance that doesn't require govt authorization...and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

I’m not associated with the project and don’t follow it super closely, but I think this is the idea behind the briar project (at least for messaging) https://briarproject.org

There are many projects similar with Briar, they all have the same limitations:

"The range of Bluetooth and Wi-Fi is around 10 metres, depending on obstacles. Clearly this isn’t enough for communicating across a city or even a large building. So when Briar receives a message from a nearby contact, it stores the message and can later pass it on to other contacts when they come within range (for example, when you move from one place to another)"

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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In my opinion, this is a good thing. It's akin to disconnecting gas mains during a bombing run or similar. War is war and we need real defensive measures for broad cyberattack. If it gets misused then we'll protest, etc. Edit: You can downvote if you like, but this comment of mine isn't made in bad faith. It's fair to worry about a global cyberwar and fair to point out that in-person protests are still a viable respo…

When is the last time the government has been held accountable to the people?

In full? 1776

In practice what happens is that some boondoggle results in a catastrophic too big to brush aside and the part of the executive branch in question decides that just not doing that thing going forward is better than the scrutiny from the legislative branch and change their policy. Nobody is ever meaningfully held accountable. Sometimes there's a token scapegoat. The above pattern holds both at the federal and state level.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Time to start building long distance (100+ mile) mesh nets. Alternately, I wonder if there's any way to lay down fiber long distance that doesn't require govt authorization...and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

I wish - but if that was going to happen, it would have happened already. By the time enough people wake up to the necessity of an uncensorable communications network to make it feasible, it will be too late to make it happen.

Re: Flicking the kill switch: governments embrace internet shutdowns

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Time to start building long distance (100+ mile) mesh nets. Alternately, I wonder if there's any way to lay down fiber long distance that doesn't require govt authorization...and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

> Alternately, I wonder if there's any way to lay down fiber long distance that doesn't require govt authorization...and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

That’s a hard no.

Just the materials for a 100+ mile fiber network is hundreds of thousands.

Then there is the matter of right of way across all those miles. It would be nigh impossible to find a route that does not cross a road or land parcel that isn’t government owned.

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