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Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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I'd heard about some of the imessage exploits prior to getting my iPhone, and so the first thing I did was uninstall imessage. Happily, the OS allowed me to do this. I haven't missed a thing, frankly.

"Uninstall" in the case of system apps is more of a "hide the icon" than uninstall.

I believe for iMessage it is actually uninstalled. Unless apple goes through the trouble of actually faking an uninstall option / screen.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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You literally just gave no reasons. Edit: So to clarify, you could be saying "there is something better about Apple" or "Apple people are complete suckers." Which is it?

I'm saying that creating a premium product cannot be distilled down to one feature/dimension/characteristic and it's a fruitless task to just ask people on the internet to do it for you. 1) Many people can't specifically identify and articulate which characteristics lead them to prefer one product over another. 2) Many people have different reasons for preferring the same product over the same alternative 3) An indiv…

So..Suckers. Got it.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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I don't think Google is serious about stores. I'm in Austin and Google has a sizable presence here. They have offices (I've gone to seminars they host), it's a Google Fiber city, lots of schools use Chromebooks and Google Classroom, and it's become a tech hub. There are Apple stores in malls and those malls all have lots of vacancy. It's a no-brainer that if Google were going to have stores anywhere, they would have…

I don't know if Google is serious about stores, but the one in Chelsea in NYC is in an extremely high foot traffic location (right across the street from Chelsea Market), in a building they already own. And Google NYC is way bigger than Google Austin. I don't think starting there rather than Austin shows they aren't serious. Also, FWIW, the store is pretty nice! Has a much warmer feel than an Apple store.

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Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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I think a lot of it is the UX and design feeling so advesarial and frankly cheap. I'm a long time android user but lately I've been wondering if it's still a reasonable choice. I'm writing this from my brand new pixel and I'm frankly shocked how bad the UX is. one of the most blatant dark patters is the impossible to remove (without installing a third party launcher) google assistant/search bar that takes up the most…

It's a band-aid solution really, but I can recommend you check out the launcher Lawnchair. It looks and behaves much like the stock launcher, but is far more customizable, letting you change the things you mentioned. Thankful that Android will still let you change out the launcher, at least.

yes the fact that it CAN be fixed is a huge plus but I think for most people the frustration of having to fix unpleasant UX decisions, clearly just made to get people to use their device in a specific way, feels like enough of an FU to warrant considering other options. Android is starting to feel like the choice for people that really want to tinker with their phones, install custom roms etc. but it lacks a middle ground option between that and just going with ios to not being bothered by so much nonsense. then again I rarely use ios so maybe I'm just not aware of the equivalent annoyances

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Anyone can buy an iPhone for the same price or less than most Android phones. $399/429.

That's the price of a decent midrange Android phone. I'm pretty sure most Android phones are less than $400.

The most popular Android phones are the Samsung Galaxy S series. Two generations back (S20) are still selling new from carriers for $600+.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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post #192

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I'm saying that creating a premium product cannot be distilled down to one feature/dimension/characteristic and it's a fruitless task to just ask people on the internet to do it for you. 1) Many people can't specifically identify and articulate which characteristics lead them to prefer one product over another. 2) Many people have different reasons for preferring the same product over the same alternative 3) An indiv…

So..Suckers. Got it.

Sure! I hope "other people are idiots" is a helpful model for you.

I find much more value in the view that a great product is the confluence of millions of tiny, apparently inconsequential decisions. It seems completely believable that if the product developers are successful, I as the consumer would struggle to reverse engineer what all of those decisions are by looking at the finished product.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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1) Not being locked in into the Google ecosystem and being tracked by that company. You need to be logged in into your Google account for the play store, which means you're looped in to Gmail and Google calendar. In iOS I can choose to use different providers for email, calendar, and password management or remove the apps (for the first two). 2) Long support which makes the price really reasonable. I've been using an…

You need an apple account to use their store or? You can also use a different Google account (or account generally) for every app, on non botched stock android at least. You can also remove all apps with stock android, also Google apps. Samsung really skewed the view by shipping the worst possible android. My Google account for my phone is just for that nothing else. My last phone cost $120 and lasted 6 years, it sti…

I do have an Apple account myself, but apparently you don't need one[0]

And I checked on my old Android phone, an Nokia 6.1, which is supposed to have stock Android, and I can't delete these apps: calendar, drive, lens, gmail, chrome, files, photos.

[0] https://www.macworld.com/article/673831/how-to-use-an-iphone...

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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I attribute most of it to marketing. Both companies make pretty great phones that do more or less the same things equally well. Apple is better at selling phones. Aside from better ads, they have prominent stores in most major cities. If you want to see the latest Pixel phone, you're going to have to visit a carrier store or Best Buy. As bad as an Apple store might be today, stepping into a T-Mobile store is worse. I…

>I attribute most of it to marketing. Android people usually do. That doesn't make it entirely true, though. The overall experience of using an iPhone is, for most people, more consistent and smooth. You're correct to note network effects, but I think you overstate the importance of iMessage for most people. I don't really care if you're green or blue in my text window, and I don't think many people really do. What I…

> I don't really care if you're green or blue in my text window, and I don't think many people really do.

There are a lot of people who do care, especially in group chats. There's an experience downgrade when an Android user is added to a group chat.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Do you find it reliable or is it whack-a-mole with constants updates required as the main service providers close exploits? Spotify surprises me because I would think the API is locked down and requests are authenticated. I guess it's abusing the free tier and spoofing the request to avoid rate limits?

Youtube vanced require(d) an update approximately annually, but it has an auto-updater utility so it's just a few taps to do. Most hacked apps are similar (although there is no consistency).

Isn't a risk with using something like YouTube Vanced that Google could determine you're using it and ban your Google account. That could be somewhat mitigated by not signing in to YouTube when using YouTube Vanced, but google could easily determine your IP and compare that to the IP you're using with other Google services and ban your account. And considering how much people rely on Google services, it's a big risk. Or am I overstating the risk?

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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You need an apple account to use their store or? You can also use a different Google account (or account generally) for every app, on non botched stock android at least. You can also remove all apps with stock android, also Google apps. Samsung really skewed the view by shipping the worst possible android. My Google account for my phone is just for that nothing else. My last phone cost $120 and lasted 6 years, it sti…

I do have an Apple account myself, but apparently you don't need one[0] And I checked on my old Android phone, an Nokia 6.1, which is supposed to have stock Android, and I can't delete these apps: calendar, drive, lens, gmail, chrome, files, photos. [0] https://www.macworld.com/article/673831/how-to-use-an-iphone...

I am no specialist, just someone who avoided plenty of brands. My theorie is that they lock down some stock apps so it doesn't look so fishy when Facebook and co is locked too to get good ad deals.

Every phone I owned in the last 10 years allowed full control about apps without root. That's a nexus, a cheap Oppo and now a Xiaomi.

Edit:// I thought you need an account to activate the iphone? Not sure if I am totally wrong

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