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Help Improve Gnome

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Re: Help Improve Gnome

#31
No. Gnome does not deserve this help.

No one should "Help Gnome" because Gnome, too much, actively breaks backward (and perhaps "cross wm") compatibility.

Help the ones that play nice with others, instead.

Re: Help Improve Gnome

#32
post #10

I used to use GNOME for many years, mostly because it was the default on Ubuntu. Now it's one of my least favorite desktops, I'll use almost anything else. I got frustrated at the seemingly random, user-hostile, backwards-incompatible changes from one version to the next. From my rough memory: * The desktop icons and click-and-drag shortcuts got removed a few years ago. This is a GUI workflow that I've been using on…

I wonder. What are your thoughts on KDE plasma?

Re: Help Improve Gnome

#33
post #8

In a world where almost all software companies keep pushing telemetry behind our backs, trying to grab as much information about us as they can. It's nice to see a project like Gnome doing the right thing making telemetry fully voluntary and anonymising the data completely. We understand that software projects need telemetry to improve, but that's no excuse to sneakily steal information about us. Well done Gnome!

Eh. I'm reminded of Chris Rock's bit on "I take care of my kids!" Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do.

How about also playing nice in return when it comes to the actual product?

Re: Help Improve Gnome

#34
post #10

I used to use GNOME for many years, mostly because it was the default on Ubuntu. Now it's one of my least favorite desktops, I'll use almost anything else. I got frustrated at the seemingly random, user-hostile, backwards-incompatible changes from one version to the next. From my rough memory: * The desktop icons and click-and-drag shortcuts got removed a few years ago. This is a GUI workflow that I've been using on…

KDE, MATE, and Cinnamon seem like great desktop environments and potentially better implementations of the "Windows-style" (i.e. Windows 95 through Windows 7) desktop environment than Windows these days. I'm glad they exist even if I don't personally use them.

But I'm also glad that the GNOME folks have decided to chart a different path even when that results in the occasional (or not-so-occasional) design misstep. Trying new approaches and making mistakes is the only way to create something new. And in a world where KDE, MATE, and Cinnamon exist, turning GNOME into yet another Windows-style desktop environment for Linux seems like a colossal waste of effort.

Having said that, it is puzzling to me why so many Linux distributions have chosen GNOME as their default shell instead of one of the more conservative desktop environments. Possibly Red Hat's influence?

Re: Help Improve Gnome

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post #34
post #10

I used to use GNOME for many years, mostly because it was the default on Ubuntu. Now it's one of my least favorite desktops, I'll use almost anything else. I got frustrated at the seemingly random, user-hostile, backwards-incompatible changes from one version to the next. From my rough memory: * The desktop icons and click-and-drag shortcuts got removed a few years ago. This is a GUI workflow that I've been using on…

KDE, MATE, and Cinnamon seem like great desktop environments and potentially better implementations of the "Windows-style" (i.e. Windows 95 through Windows 7) desktop environment than Windows these days. I'm glad they exist even if I don't personally use them. But I'm also glad that the GNOME folks have decided to chart a different path even when that results in the occasional (or not-so-occasional) design misstep. T…

Red Hat only pays people to work on GTK4, which GNOME's desktop has switched too. All the other DEs still use GTK3, which they broke (2014-2015) and froze broken, never to be fixed.

Re: Help Improve Gnome

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I used to use GNOME for many years, mostly because it was the default on Ubuntu. Now it's one of my least favorite desktops, I'll use almost anything else. I got frustrated at the seemingly random, user-hostile, backwards-incompatible changes from one version to the next. From my rough memory: * The desktop icons and click-and-drag shortcuts got removed a few years ago. This is a GUI workflow that I've been using on…

> If I recall, I eventually figured out that I had to swipe up a little arrow at the bottom of the screen, but using a mouse. Why? I think the answer is that windows 10 does it, so it must be copied.

It's a paradigm which makes a fair amount of sense on a touchscreen: it's an easy motion and it acts as a screen against accidental presses if the screen gets turned on in your bag or pocket. Translating it to a mouse makes no sense, and it probably only works that way because touch events are being turned into pointer events. In practice what should happen is a mouse click (but not a touch event) should move onto the lockscreen, or this screen should be skipped entirely if the device does not have a touchscreen or is a laptop with a touchscreen which is covered when it's in a bag.

Re: Help Improve Gnome

#37
Sorry, I think it's too late. It may have become a good (albeit dumbed down and resource hungry) UI for tablets, but in the process you left out desktop/laptops PCs, and lots of people moved away because of this.

Re: Help Improve Gnome

#38
I've recently moved to GNOME on Fedora 36, and I just wish they stopped being hostile to themeing.

No, Adwaita is not pretty. No, I don't want to use the default window decorations. And I most certainly do not want to have to install extensions to have a decent dock, proper top bar applets, etc.

I have no idea where GNOME gets its UX expertise, but they are well off the mark where it regards what people expect from a normal desktop experience these days.

Re: Help Improve Gnome

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post #34
post #10

I used to use GNOME for many years, mostly because it was the default on Ubuntu. Now it's one of my least favorite desktops, I'll use almost anything else. I got frustrated at the seemingly random, user-hostile, backwards-incompatible changes from one version to the next. From my rough memory: * The desktop icons and click-and-drag shortcuts got removed a few years ago. This is a GUI workflow that I've been using on…

KDE, MATE, and Cinnamon seem like great desktop environments and potentially better implementations of the "Windows-style" (i.e. Windows 95 through Windows 7) desktop environment than Windows these days. I'm glad they exist even if I don't personally use them. But I'm also glad that the GNOME folks have decided to chart a different path even when that results in the occasional (or not-so-occasional) design misstep. T…

GNOME by far the most supported and mature desktop environment for Linux. KDE et al might look and feel better, but you have annoyances like bad multi monitor support, bad dock support, etc... So while I agree with many feeling others have expressed, I'm happy to use a distro that ships a DE that just works.

Re: Help Improve Gnome

#40
post #9

No need for a tool, it is quite easy. Stop using JavaScript all over the place, use compiled languages. Don't outsource basic features to extensions, or third party tools. Bring basic stuff like thumbnails and desktop folders back.

Basically 1. Don't remove stuff people use 2. Don't add stuff nobody wants

3. Don't assume everyone is using a tablet.
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