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Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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I feel like many people love iOS, but many also hate it (not open enough, lock in etc.) but they hate the cheapishness and crappiness of Android even more. Is there any development ongoing for a mobile OS that is not full of crap like Android, but not as restrictive as iOS? Not sure if Windows Phone or PalmOS were like that, but those are both gone…

Maybe what makes iOS great is the restrictions? If you take away the restrictions maybe what's great is gone.

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Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Are there any "real" (come on, techy people, you know what I mean) reasons for going Apple besides I suppose the genuine convenience of fully interoperable phone/messaging across devices (which I fully concede is probably a big one for a good number of people?) The price differences between Android and Apple still strike me as absurd. On the other side, I went from "picking an Android very carefully for rooting" grad…

Not having to care about anything is a real advantage.

If you have absolutely no interest in phones, the base iPhone will be a better device than any android of the same price in terms of stability (years of use) and support (you'll hit not mobile website that doesn't handle it, any major app provider will support it)

android has advantages only if you actually have specific aspects you want to optimize (price, performance, photo, obscure tools, versatility etc..)

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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I attribute most of this to iMessage and the associated lock-in effect. You don't see the same trend in the rest of the world where 3rd party messengers (Whatsapp, Viber, Line, snapchat, etc) are mostly used for comms. The inability of iPhones to easily host 'cracked' apps also acts as an anchor to adoption - theres a lot of people hooked on their cracked ad-free spotify or youtube apps, or games with 'everything fre…

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Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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My experience on Android: good hardware, very open and customizable, but the defaults all have a cheapish, crappy mentality and quality to them; the phone degraded in one year. Everything is Google-centric and I simply don’t trust them anymore.

On Apple: great hardware, everything on the OS is nice out of the box. Thought went into everything from colours to fonts to make it nice. The phone lasts for years and years. Apple doesn’t seem quite so underhanded.

Now, we spend lots of time with our phones. Getting one that is nice and feels snappy to use makes every day 0.5% better. Combined with the fact that iPhones last longer and have resale value, for most people, it’s a no-brainer even at a much higher cost.

In fact, the cheaper Androids get, the worse the perception of them will get.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Are there any "real" (come on, techy people, you know what I mean) reasons for going Apple besides I suppose the genuine convenience of fully interoperable phone/messaging across devices (which I fully concede is probably a big one for a good number of people?) The price differences between Android and Apple still strike me as absurd. On the other side, I went from "picking an Android very carefully for rooting" grad…

Having the Apple Store support option is another one. Yes, repairs can be a bit expensive, but most of them can be done same-day instead of having to ship my phone off for a week+ to get repairs.

This depends on where you’re located though — in some places it’s much easier to get quick OEM repairs for (some) Android devices than for Apple ones.

The A-series chips are also genuinely very good, but one could argue that a lot of that power is wasted on iOS.

Anecdotally, I’ve also found battery life on iPhones to be more reliable out of the box than on most Android devices, especially in standby.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Are cracked apps really that popular? I'm pretty in touch with tech and piracy but I haven't thought of cracked mobile apps especially for something like YouTube and Spotify

Youtube Vanced (even in its now dying form) and Spotify from APKMody or similar are the main reason I dont move. Its two extra monthly subscriptions.

Revanced is the replacement. It's quickly gaining traction.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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I attribute most of this to iMessage and the associated lock-in effect. You don't see the same trend in the rest of the world where 3rd party messengers (Whatsapp, Viber, Line, snapchat, etc) are mostly used for comms. The inability of iPhones to easily host 'cracked' apps also acts as an anchor to adoption - theres a lot of people hooked on their cracked ad-free spotify or youtube apps, or games with 'everything fre…

I attribute most of it to marketing. Both companies make pretty great phones that do more or less the same things equally well. Apple is better at selling phones. Aside from better ads, they have prominent stores in most major cities. If you want to see the latest Pixel phone, you're going to have to visit a carrier store or Best Buy. As bad as an Apple store might be today, stepping into a T-Mobile store is worse. I…

Googler opinions are my own.

Google has a NYC store, with a second one also in NYC that recently opened. Seems like they want to keep going there.

https://store.google.com/magazine/locations?hl=en-US

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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I attribute most of this to iMessage and the associated lock-in effect. You don't see the same trend in the rest of the world where 3rd party messengers (Whatsapp, Viber, Line, snapchat, etc) are mostly used for comms. The inability of iPhones to easily host 'cracked' apps also acts as an anchor to adoption - theres a lot of people hooked on their cracked ad-free spotify or youtube apps, or games with 'everything fre…

I attribute most of it to marketing. Both companies make pretty great phones that do more or less the same things equally well. Apple is better at selling phones. Aside from better ads, they have prominent stores in most major cities. If you want to see the latest Pixel phone, you're going to have to visit a carrier store or Best Buy. As bad as an Apple store might be today, stepping into a T-Mobile store is worse. I…

>I attribute most of it to marketing.

Android people usually do. That doesn't make it entirely true, though.

The overall experience of using an iPhone is, for most people, more consistent and smooth. You're correct to note network effects, but I think you overstate the importance of iMessage for most people. I don't really care if you're green or blue in my text window, and I don't think many people really do. What I do care about and enjoy is the overall platform effects, including easy integration with my Mac, the way the watch works with it, etc.

You could cobble together most of that, I assume, with utilities and whatnot using Linux or Windows and Android, but with Apple all that comes out of the box.

>As bad as an Apple store might be today,

The Apple Store experience is insanely streamlined, easy, and creepy up-sell free compared to a carrier. That's a big deal.

>To me, it feels like Google has lost interest in Android and consumers will pick that up as well.

I'm an iPhone person, but yeah, I think there's something to this, too.

Re: Apple overtakes Android to pass 50% share of smartphones used in US

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Switched from Android to iPhone a few months ago. Hard to believe the difference. Android is really bad at many things, and I had a good brand (One Plus 6). Taking a picture on Android is an awful experience. The Camera app takes about 3 seconds to open, and freezes for a second when taking a picture. The Camera app on iPhone opens instantly and takes photos instantly. The quality of the pictures taken on the iPhone…

I switched a few months ago and I can't believe the lack of difference. They are very similar. If I want to see the weather, I tap the square with a cloud on it. If I want to start Spotify, I tap that icon. I turn it on and off with a button on the side and turn the volume up and down with the other buttons. The camera takes pictures and I can use the map to navigate in my car. Maybe the Apple camera is better this year, but the Google camera will probably be better next year. Both place calls and can send/receive text messages.

For me (and I think most people) the two are very substitutable. One is a Toyota Camry and the other is a Honda Accord. They are both fine.

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