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Re: Snowden: US asked British spy agency to stop Guardian publishing revelations

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There's a tweet from him on February 11th that says the media's gross for pushing for a war. Beyond that, all he does is suggest we should be demanding more evidence for claims of an impending war that Biden and the intelligence community were pushing. He's even talked about the invasion as recently in June in a way that suggests he doesn't think it's invented[1] by media. Do you actually have a specific example of S…

That is because he deleted a lot of his tweets. For example > Now that the promised invasion has failed to materialize, maybe we could take another look at the story that was breaking when the White House was suddenly overcome with a mysterious and inexplicable desire to change the news cycle: [1] > So... if nobody shows up for the invasion Biden scheduled for tomorrow morning at 3AM, I'm not saying your journalistic…

He went very quiet after that, and after a tweetstorm to the effect of "are you even alive" he eventually posted quite testily that he'd got it wrong and was now proceeding to shut the hell up: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1498049577131208705

A more thorough mea culpa would certainly have been nice, but the man was clearly quite rattled that his own "journalistic credibility was instrumentalized as part of one of those disinformation campaigns". It's hard to appreciate what pressures he might be under.

Re: Snowden: US asked British spy agency to stop Guardian publishing revelations

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I think the panopticon is unavoidable (I'll expand below) so the question is how to harness it to get a humane techno-totalitarian system? People have pointed out that "humane totalitarian" is an oxymoron, and I agree, but I think it's the challenge we face. It seems to me that we can and should ensure that the people in power are themselves subject to the panopticon. Literally politicians should be 24/7 live streami…

> It seems to me that we can and should ensure that the people in power are themselves subject to the panopticon. Literally politicians should be 24/7 live streaming their lives. This all sounds equally as feasible as simply rolling back the surveillance in the first place. The whole point of these systems is to subject the hoi polloi to constant and intrusive surveillance as a counterinsurgency tactic. Why in the wo…

I'm saying that the economics will drive adoption regardless of political structures. The folks in power will be surveilled too, whether they like it or not (if nothing else they have to surveil each other!) The more power you have, the more people study you.

The "constant and intrusive surveillance as a counterinsurgency tactic" is a side-effect. And frankly, we should be so lucky that it works (when it works.) I personally think the time for deciding things by violence-- any violence --has passed.

In re: political power, we'll see how it plays out in different systems. In China the question is, Will CCP members be subject to the Social Credit System?

In democracies we should be able to reshape our systems to take advantage of modern technology to make boring, functioning governing bodies that "just work", but we have to get from here to there.

Re: Snowden: US asked British spy agency to stop Guardian publishing revelations

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He also should have had some help from the news agency in them asking him for his opinion and using some of their own judgment about which parts of it to publishin case he accidentally shared anything in such a large group of documents. That probably also happened. I think it's telling that multiple administrations have failed to come forward and promise him a fair trial, let alone any sort of deal, commutation, or p…

Everybody is guaranteed a fair trial. Why should anybody pardon somebody who hasn't been sentenced?

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