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Re: California lawmakers vote to keep Diablo Canyon online

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Nuclear is way more expensive than other renewables and even gas. It takes a long time to build too. What no one seems to be exploring is creating a world wide array of solar panels so that everyone has power when they need it. Atleast US, Africa, India and Europe could do it together. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-energy-nuclearpower-idUSK... Edit: Hell, US alone could do and get over peak demand in the evening…

Where is there significant sunlight to harness when California panels are going into evening?

Japan? New Zealand? The intercontinental cables would be expensive but have less loss than I would have thought.

Re: California lawmakers vote to keep Diablo Canyon online

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Honest question for renewables advocates: Where would you rank US-west in terms of "industrialised places where its easiest to phase out fossils or nuclear for renewables"? Because for my money, it may be the best-suited place in the world . - Lowish latitude, so winter nights are never that long, and usage peaks are in summer; - Fair amount of land - even in CA, especially if we cheat a bit and assume NV is playing…

I didn't follow the case of Europe, but I did follow a bit the US.

Take a look at the first graph in [1]. Roughly speaking at this point the US gets 20% electricity from each of coal, renewable and nuclear and 40% from natural gas. In 1990 gas and renewables were standing both at around 10% (renewables in those times were just hydro). Gas went up exponentially to get to 4 times as high now. Renewables double, but that is deceiving. Hydro stayed constant, and wind and solar went from 0 to 10%. Nuclear was roughly constant for the last 20 years.

How do we get from here to net zero? It's quite simple actually: keep replacing coal with natural gas and renewables. In about 5 years coal should get to essentially zero. Then start keep growing renewables, and start replacing natural gas. Keep nuclear constant if possible. 2050 for net zero is easily achievable.

But that's maybe because, as you said, the US is in a nearly ideal position.

In EU, start by replacing all coal by nat gas. That's the best bang for the buck in terms of reducing emissions. Keep growing solar and wind. When the sun doesn't shine, and the wind doesn't blow, run the nat gas stations. In one decade or at most 15 years, we'll start shipping liquefied hydrogen. Most likely we'll convert the current LNG carriers to LH2 carriers. We should be able to convert nat gas power plants to hydrogen power plants. The EU is investing more than $100 BN into the hydrogen economy. It will work. 2050 will be doable. Not as doable as in the US, but still doable.

[1] https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=48896

Re: California lawmakers vote to keep Diablo Canyon online

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Where is there significant sunlight to harness when California panels are going into evening?

Japan? New Zealand? The intercontinental cables would be expensive but have less loss than I would have thought.

It seems to me to be peak shortsightedness to argue in favor of connecting energy grids in that manner, when we're seeing the failure modes of doing so right now in Europe as a result of the Ukraine war.

Re: California lawmakers vote to keep Diablo Canyon online

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post #36

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Where is there significant sunlight to harness when California panels are going into evening?

Japan? New Zealand? The intercontinental cables would be expensive but have less loss than I would have thought.

Maybe we should connect gas lines between countries as well. I hear Russia has a lot of gas. What could ever go wrong?

Re: California lawmakers vote to keep Diablo Canyon online

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Good news. Although I am wary of nuclear's sustainability due to usage of fresh water (another limited resource in our climate crisis days)... I mean look at France nuclear + dry rivers... I think Nuclear should be part of our basket of energy sources (as it's baseload) to combat climate change.

> The plant's once-through cooling system (OTC) draws water from the Pacific Ocean to condense steam driving its turbines [0] Wikipedia seems to say that Diablo canyon is cooled by salt water, not fresh water. The Wikipedia page also outlines how they attempt to protect marine wildlife in the region. Do most nuclear power plants require fresh water? Is it a big problem? [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_Can…

The problem with nuclear's use of water is that the water released is heated and causes problems with the ecosystem (ie, waste heat).

In fact, Diablo runs at a lower power to prevent dumping too much waste heat back into the ocean ecosystem.

From the wikipedia page: " and power is limited during operation so that water returned to the ocean is no more than 20 °F (11 °C) warmer than ambient temperature. "

Re: California lawmakers vote to keep Diablo Canyon online

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Good news. Although I am wary of nuclear's sustainability due to usage of fresh water (another limited resource in our climate crisis days)... I mean look at France nuclear + dry rivers... I think Nuclear should be part of our basket of energy sources (as it's baseload) to combat climate change.

There is no requirement that reactors use fresh water. And there is nothing that says fresh water can't be used after being used to cool a nuclear reactor. It's not like the fresh water is consumed.

Waste heat in the water is the problem.

Re: California lawmakers vote to keep Diablo Canyon online

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Canada is actually the globally leading country in terms of commercial GenIV nuclear. Many nuclear companies are moving to Canada from the US and Britain because Canada has a sane legislator, utilities that want nuclear. Ontario is really at the core of global nuclear innovation. The CNSC is at the very lead in terms of GenIV (hate that term) reactor designs. They created an innovate new way of going threw licensing.…

> All that said, Canada is simple not the market that is big enough. Its not the US, India or China. So for real impact this technology has to move from Canada to the US. Could they export electricity to the US? The grids are already intertied: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_power_transmiss...

I don't know enough about the politics of that, I'm European. I guess the nuclear part of Canada is pretty close to a lot of the North Eastern Cities so technically I think so.
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