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Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by golergka »

sofixa wrote: post #189
kurupt213 wrote: post #186

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That’s a big ask. How disproportionate do you think the US response would be to people launching rockets into our country? My guess is that we would kill the majority of them. I don’t think it’s fair to ask Israel to sit on their hands while they are attacked.

If Native Americans being put into reservations against their will, being evicted from their homes, being treated as second class people, were launching rockets at US civilians, the US would retaliate, sure. But both parties would be in the wrong, same as Israel/Palestine.

> being evicted from their homes

Just FYI, most of evictions Israel is doing are against jewish settlers, not arabs.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by frumper »

SilverBirch wrote: post #200
crmd wrote: post #159

It is effortless for me to keep my political opinions airgapped from my work environment. While I emphatically believe my political positions are correct, I know that plenty of people don't agree with me on contentious topics. To bring my politics to work, especially as a senior leader, borders on abuse of power, because my role in the organization would confer unearned authority to my political opinions. I learned t…

If you don't bring your political opinions to work someone else will. It isn't politically neutral to build AI systems for the Israeli defense forces. So someone, somewhere in Google clearly is bringing their politics to work. So to thn point at the person being fired for disagreeing and saying "Well you shouldn't bring your politics to work" is disingenuous. The only thing that your approach does is allow the politi…

Trying to get government contracts sounds like good old fashion love of money.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by kurupt213 »

Adverblessly wrote: post #190
npc54321 wrote: post #130

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Cant they just stop killing each other? I dont believe in made up books saying "this is your promised land" I also dont believe in madeup books saying ",kill jews" Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Defending Israel is such an NPC mentality, theres no good guys in that war they both commit atrocities.

> Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Both sides think the land belongs to them as both sides inhabited the same land for hundreds* of years. Which side is doing the grabbing then turns into a judgement call. * - Going by Wikipedia, Muslims Arabs since ~600CE and some form of Israelis since ~1200BCE.

Ethnically they’re the same group of Semitic peoples that have lived in Canaanite land since the late Neolithic

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by JamesBarney »

rayiner wrote: post #68
yodsanklai wrote: post #58

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> It's very very dumb legislation, and I think derives from a very odd facet of belief found in some American Protestant belief systems - that for Jesus to come back, the State of Israel has to exist. I remember reading Bill Clinton's biography. At some point, he mentioned that a pastor told him something along these lines, and that it was an important realisation for him. (I read that years ago, could be slightly wr…

> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies Why? As a former atheist, I’ve come to the realization that the alternative—at least at scale—to traditional religion isn’t people being hyper rational engineers. It’s different and less well established unprovable and illogical beliefs. Have you read some of the social “science” stuff that gets published? All the “woo…

Why do you think theology protects against woo?

It seems like atheism might be correlated with false beliefs around social studies, but probably anti-correlated around false beliefs like "trump still the election".

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Post by rayiner »

JamesBarney wrote: post #204
rayiner wrote: post #68

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> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies Why? As a former atheist, I’ve come to the realization that the alternative—at least at scale—to traditional religion isn’t people being hyper rational engineers. It’s different and less well established unprovable and illogical beliefs. Have you read some of the social “science” stuff that gets published? All the “woo…

Why do you think theology protects against woo? It seems like atheism might be correlated with false beliefs around social studies, but probably anti-correlated around false beliefs like "trump still the election".

I’m not really making a political point. But as a longtime democrat I lived through all the “the Supreme Court stole the election” and “Diebold machines” and “Putin altered vote tallies for Trump” stuff including among highly educated atheists and agnostics. Most people are largely ignorant about stuff they don’t study specifically.

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Post by random314 »

JamesBarney wrote: post #204
rayiner wrote: post #68

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> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies Why? As a former atheist, I’ve come to the realization that the alternative—at least at scale—to traditional religion isn’t people being hyper rational engineers. It’s different and less well established unprovable and illogical beliefs. Have you read some of the social “science” stuff that gets published? All the “woo…

Why do you think theology protects against woo? It seems like atheism might be correlated with false beliefs around social studies, but probably anti-correlated around false beliefs like "trump still the election".

Theology is the original "woo" stuff, that "protects" us from the so called modern woo stuff like gay marriage.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by nailer »

pydry wrote: post #156
nailer wrote: post #141

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I'm not sure how familiar with the UK you are. The left recently chose as a leader a man who claimed he was friends with Hamas and Hezbollah. The people who claim 'anti-zionism isn't antisemitism' are his voters. Edit reply due to rate limit: Corbyn also laid a wreath for one of the terrorists, presumably also in the pursuit of peace. Oddly Corbyn also advocated for the IRA and claims that was about peace too, but th…

It's called diplomacy. He was engaged in peace negotiations when he called those people friends (he has since said that he probably shouldnt have said it). It clearly wasnt racism that motivated him to say "friends" it was obviously a desire for peace. Most of his more intelligent detractors understood the context but were avowedly pro war - for them that actually made it worse. Isaac Herzog's abhorrent views had no…

Was rate limited at the time, but edit-replied above - ICYMI:

Corbyn also laid a wreath for one of the terrorists, presumably also in the pursuit of peace.

Oddly Corbyn also advocated for the IRA and claims that was about peace too, but the people that negotiated Good Friday state he didn’t have anything to do with the NI peace process either.

Adding to that:

> A contingent from the UK Labour party even visited him to apologize in person for the other guy's "antisemitism".

Excellent. That said, it's not just one other guy - Corbyn's not the only person in the far left.

> Isaac Herzog's abhorrent views

The worst I've seen so far is someone saying Herzog thinks Palestinians fly planes into buildings, which is demonstrably false (in a video he discusses 'terrorists' doing that) and someone else saying he doesn't want his daughter to marry a black man - not wanting your children to marry outside your race is a fairly common view worldwide although rarely said in public in the UK. Oddly Labour is very keen on conservative views when it comes to some races but not others.

If there's something big about Herzog we haven't seen in this thread please spill it here.

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Post by [deleted] »

dfadsadsf wrote: post #146
nailer wrote: post #112

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Israel has offered the Palestinians statehood multiple times, as well as offering it to Jordan to run. If you think Jewish people don’t deserve to live somewhere where Jewish people have always lived, but think French people are allowed to live in France, then you may hate Jews. You use the term 'apartheid state' as if Israel not supporting Palestianians is a racial decision against Arabs. In what apartheid state can…

I am glad that you support Ireland taking over most of Europe as Celts used to live all over France and beyond.

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Post by kajecounterhack »

Adverblessly wrote: post #199
kajecounterhack wrote: post #18

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> If you are against this, your views are quite extremist and it is hard to find understanding and accommodation, particularly among fellow Jews. It's a bit more complicated than this. Israel militarily occupies Palestine. And they institute an apartheid system that is unfair to Palestinians, denying basic rights to Palestinians -- they can take your property, they can restrict your travel, they can strangle your eco…

> they're advocating for a one-state solution so that inhabitants of Palestine/Israel can get democratic representation & equal rights. Again, not a crazy take. This is roughly like advocating for ending the Russian-Ukrainian conflict by advocating for a one-state solution where the inhabitants can get democratic representation & equal rights.

Sure, but it feels different if you call the one state "New Ukraine" and the government is a democracy headed by iono, Zelensky.

Also, the one state solution is not advocating for Israeli annexation of all Palestinian territory -- it's advocating for the view that Israel has already de facto annexed Palestine, and that the current Israeli government is implementing a brutal apartheid that needs to end. Calling the whole state something new, giving everyone citizenship, and electing new leaders won't solve everything but it's a valid perspective to have.

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