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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by trasz »

another_story wrote: post #542
trasz wrote: post #531

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More like US prison system vs Chinese “camps”. One look at the numbers shows which of those is more oppressive. This includes things like slave labour: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-wo...

It's impossible to quantify oppressive. We don't know much about Chinese labor camps or re-education centers. Even if we did, how do you measure up acts done in these places against one another? Is making license plates for pennies in the US better or worse than making t-shirts in Xinjiang? Is being wrongfully thrown in prison due to a prejudice judge seeing your only skin color worse than being thrown into prison fo…

I agree it’s hard to quantify, and I agree US prisons aren’t really worse than Chinese ones. Rather, I believe they are roughly the same. Thus, condemning out one without even mentioning the other is simply dishonest. Especially when the condemning side is the competing perpetrator, as is usually the case with anti-Chinese propaganda.

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Post by ROTMetro »

another_story wrote: post #542
trasz wrote: post #531

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like US prison system vs Chinese “camps”. One look at the numbers shows which of those is more oppressive. This includes things like slave labour: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-wo...

It's impossible to quantify oppressive. We don't know much about Chinese labor camps or re-education centers. Even if we did, how do you measure up acts done in these places against one another? Is making license plates for pennies in the US better or worse than making t-shirts in Xinjiang? Is being wrongfully thrown in prison due to a prejudice judge seeing your only skin color worse than being thrown into prison fo…

As a US prisoner I was worked until my hands bled, regularly forced to do things declared torture by the USA courts. Feel free to complain to the prison guard in charge of the complaints process. You have no access to the courts until you have exhausted the prison complaints process. Complain, and you will be placed in a cell with some unsavory characters, your room will be 'shaken down' every day, including your cellies stuff, and it will be made known the shakedown is due to your bucking the system. Your cellies will make sure you stop complaining and their cell stops getting tore up. The USA system is all for looks, but is impossible to actually get any access to remedy once you are on the inside and no longer in the world.

FYI: Things like fast food franchise remodels regularly have American forced labour doing a lot of the CAD/CAM work. If you eat at American franchise restaurants, you support American prisoner slave labour. [edit] here is a pretty government website promoting you to use slave labour: https://www.unicor.gov/Category.aspx?iStore=UNI&idCategory=1...

here is the US Constitution 13th Amendment banning slavery:

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

vbezhenar wrote: post #548
infinityio wrote: post #523

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State-of-the-art chip fabrication is still mostly based in Taiwan, with TSMC (as an example: the BR100, China's most recent native flagship gpu, is fabbed using TSMC) - China's own SMIC has appeared to struggle However, they seem to have been catching up fairly quickly - until very recently SMIC have been stuck around 14nm (state of the art in 2013, SMIC in 2019), but they recently announced they have managed to star…

Take Chinese announcements with a grain of salt. It’s the same as “IBM produced 0.1 nm transistor” stuff. It’s far from production. They’ll get there eventually though.

SMIC didn't announce that it's fabricating 7 nm chips. The news came from an external analysis of a chip SMIC fabricated.

SMIC apparently began fabricating at 7 nm without any fanfare.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by LionTamer »

schoen wrote: post #425
LionTamer wrote: post #347

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I knew about the previous cryptography restrictions, but I also knew that the Supreme Court overruled them by ruling (as I understand it) that “code is speech”. I’ll have to check out the other links though

Not the Supreme Court, the Ninth Circuit in a subsequently-withdrawn opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States (Because the opinion was withdrawn, it's "persuasive" but not "binding".)

Good catch

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

T-A wrote: post #499
kypro wrote: post #469

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Officially the US recognises Taiwan as part of China too.

No. The US acknowledges the Chinese position that Taiwan is part of China. It does not agree with China's claim to sovereignty over Taiwan. https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-w...

The US used to agree with Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan, back when the US recognized the Republic of China as the government of China.

The US switched its recognition of who represents China from the ROC to the People's Republic of China. Unless the US has now decided that China's sovereign territory has changed, that implies recognition of Taiwan as part of the PRC. This is also the reason why the US simultaneously dropped official recognition of the ROC when it recognized the PRC, as another commenter has pointed out.

However, for decades, the US has preferred to leave this implication unstated, partly so that it can continue to deal unofficially with the ROC.

The recent moves by the US towards actively denying Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan are much more serious than most Americans realize, and could have major consequences. For Americans, Taiwan is just an island across the ocean that they've heard about on the news. On the other hand, hundreds of millions of people in China deeply care about sovereignty over Taiwan. That's a recipe for sleepwalking into a conflict.

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Post by lizardactivist »

NLPlatypus wrote: post #549
lizardactivist wrote: post #546

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I think the US finally realized they can not compete in a globalized world and keep 8000m people obedient and dependent, so the push to partition the world to remain relevant and competitive has now come. What's worse is that the US is fully aware this could result in another European war, and they coldly calculate that the US mainland would be entirely spared of damage, and that the US would be the single condition…

Ok, but Russia invaded Ukraine. Unless the US controls Russia now, too.

Read Samo Burja, John Mearsheimer, Oliver Stone, etc. It's been in the working for many years, and Russia's hand was forced.

Simple mental exercise: imagine Russia or China working out plans with Cuba to set up an MWD-armed military base there, then try to figure out if the US would invade.

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Post by ericmay »

barelysapient wrote: post #579
ericmay wrote: post #288

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Wars happen because each of the two sides think they can win. In this case, the US is obviously confident it can win. This one is easy to see in this scenario. China on the other hand questions the commitment of the US: “really, you’re going to go to war to protect Taiwan? It’s China! What do you care?”, and this could be true if geographic and geopolitical realities were different. But what the CCP somewhat and I th…

The US doesn't think they can "win" in the sense that someone 'wins' chess or checkers. What the US can do however, it make the conquest of Taiwan very expensive. Sort of what they're doing in the Ukraine but probably with a shade more direct involvement. China will experience a abrupt cutoff from the US lead international order in addition to some limited skirmishes with western forces. But they also won't be physic…

I'd agree that describing this potential conflict as "win" or "lose" oversimplifies the engagement. But I would definitely disagree here:

> But they also won't be physically prevented by western forces from occupying Taiwan. Western arms and intel will help fuel the Taiwan government until it's defeated.

I'm a little perplexed because you seem to understand what's at stake, but you don't think the US would fight? All evidence points to the contrary. I mean not only is the US military present, the actual stakes are existential physical and economic security. If you aren't going to fight for those stakes I don't know what you do.

> In parallel, Russia will solidify their holdings in western and southern Ukraine.

I think this remains to be seen. I'm curious about how well Ukraine will do under current operations. It's bewildering to me that Ukraine can just strike and blow up Russian targets with impunity, including in Belgorod which presumably had some sort of air defense capabilities. I don't think Russia wants a fight with NATO unless the goal is to make defeat easier to swallow, because engagement with NATO necessitates a nuclear response from Russia due to what would clearly appear to be a decisive victory for NATO based on Russian performance in Ukraine and I'm not sure Russia wants to use nuclear weapons either. Engagement with NATO seems to be a lose/lose.

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Post by immigrantheart »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #564
immigrantheart wrote: post #534

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Yes sir. I take advantage of coming to a generous Western nation filled with opportunity while earning what most people here could only dream. Thank you generous Western nation. I hope my contribution, my taxes, my hard work benefits you. One day I will go back home. I won’t be part of you anymore. When that time comes, I hope you’ll leave us alone in our own affairs and don’t invade us or bomb us anymore. Sincerely,…

I’m glad you’re willing to take the mask off and show your true feelings. It’s really great for everybody in this forum who may have been persuaded by your hateful nativist screed to see what kind of person you truly are.

Totally. It's not like I am gonna change my thinking. If anything, the opposite.

Enjoy encountering millions of people like me in this world. The silent majority.

Often times I wonder why Westerners never really learn that they shouldn't impose their way of life to the rest of the world.

Then I look at social media, and forum like this. I understand.

They still have their superiority complex, deep down to the bone.

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Post by immigrantheart »

decremental wrote: post #77
immigrantheart wrote: post #69

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Yes I read the book as well. US already has inside chaos (and will get way way, way way, way way worse), don't need to worry about other countries chaos.

The on-purpose collapse of the global American Empire is going to cause pain for the entire world.

Eh, its life.

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Post by jonnybgood »

immigrantheart wrote: post #536
jonnybgood wrote: post #331

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Native American cultures and languages are still very much alive. Have you not heard of the Cherokee and Navajo nations, and the many others? They are definitely not a lost people. Also, not all Chinese people are Han.

Compared to the Han Chinese state today, the Native Americans are in a really really really sad state. Han Chinese is the biggest Chinese ethnic make up.

> Compared to the Han Chinese state today, the Native Americans are in a really really really sad state.

That’s not what you said.

> Han Chinese is the biggest Chinese ethnic make up.

Didn’t say they weren’t.

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